It really isn't, but just makes me cranky again that my slim can't play PS2 games so I have to keep out an extra system. Laziness!jfrost wrote:I can't spin this as bad news. Sorry, guys.
yeah the way it's described just sounds like an ISO wrapped in some sort of emu.AppleQueso wrote: So its just a ps2 version of the ps1 classics.
Fuck that. You don't have to try very hard to see the bad part of this.jfrost wrote:I can't spin this as bad news. Sorry, guys.
I just set my watch to this post.Inazuma wrote:Fuck that. You don't have to try very hard to see the bad part of this.jfrost wrote:I can't spin this as bad news. Sorry, guys.
It's pretty bullshit of Sony to have proper backwards compatibility, take it away, and then ask for money to get it back. At the very least, the PS2 games that are available in PSN should also be able to run if you have the physical DVD version of them.
Also, in order to download these games you have to agree to the PSN ToS, so that's already bad enough. Sony fucking sucks.
noiseredux wrote:I just set my watch to this post.Inazuma wrote:Fuck that. You don't have to try very hard to see the bad part of this.jfrost wrote:I can't spin this as bad news. Sorry, guys.
It's pretty bullshit of Sony to have proper backwards compatibility, take it away, and then ask for money to get it back. At the very least, the PS2 games that are available in PSN should also be able to run if you have the physical DVD version of them.
Also, in order to download these games you have to agree to the PSN ToS, so that's already bad enough. Sony fucking sucks.
Yeah; the architecture of the oXbox and 360 are way different. (The Xbox runs a Pentium III, while the 360 runs a PowerPC processor.)isiolia wrote:It's fairly limited since the architecture is different - I think they need drivers/emulation tweaks on a per-game basis. A good number of the bigger hits are supported, but not everything, and the system needs to download support files for each new game (last I'd messed with it).ZenErik wrote:As far as I know, regular Xbox compatibility with the 360 is there but is limited. I haven't even tried since I have a Japanese 360.
Sony was relying on the inclusion of the actual, physical processor from the PS2 to provide backwards compatibility. Their original PS3 vision and product included everything but the kitchen sink. They were likely already losing money on each console sold, even with the outrageously high retail price. In an attempt to reduce the price and the loss per unit, both of which were ultimately harming the consumer, they removed the PS2 processor along with several other hardware features.Inazuma wrote:It's pretty bullshit of Sony to have proper backwards compatibility, take it away, and then ask for money to get it back. At the very least, the PS2 games that are available in PSN should also be able to run if you have the physical DVD version of them.
Sounds like a great excuse. So instead of playing my old PS2 games, I should re-buy them for PS3 because technological limitations prevent the DVD based games from running.Zing wrote: Sony was relying on the inclusion of the actual, physical processor from the PS2 to provide backwards compatibility. Their original PS3 vision and product included everything but the kitchen sink. They were likely already losing money on each console sold, even with the outrageously high retail price. In an attempt to reduce the price and the loss per unit, both of which were ultimately harming the consumer, they removed the PS2 processor along with several other hardware features.
They then attempted to have software-based backwards compatibility. The support costs of this must have been huge. Imagine the number of phone calls their call centres received in regards to flaky PS2 DVDs or unsupported games. Their evaluations probably showed that removing backwards compatibility completely would end up saving them money and increase overall goodwill, despite some people being upset over the removal of PS2 support.
PS2 games pre-packaged with a self-contained emulator are very easy to test and support. If a customer calls in having a problem with a PS2 game, the agent can be assured that it is truly a problem with the hardware or software on the console and not due to a scratched or pirated disc. Support costs are low. QA costs are low since only the selected titles must be tested. Incentive to sign up for their online service is increased. More users and revenue means better service and more content on the service. More PS2 games become available, increasing the chance that gamers in the future will have these games to enjoy.
I do agree that much of the drama could be relieved if Sony went ahead with their plans to allow "upgrading" physical copies to the network version, as with their original plans for the PSP Go. The logistics may be considered impossible. The high level executives may be concerned for piracy. Maybe the support drain would be too great to allow an end-user upgrade program.
I wonder if they have considered a mail-in program? Mail in your old discs to get recycled and they enable the games on your account.
You still don't seem to understand that the TOS would A) Likely not hold up in court and B) You can mail Sony and be exempt from that part of the TOS.Inazuma wrote: Sounds like a great excuse. So instead of playing my old PS2 games, I should re-buy them for PS3 because technological limitations prevent the DVD based games from running.
It still doesn't change the fact that you have to use PSN to download these games. And that means, giving up your rights. It is really amazing that anyone still uses PSN at this point. What the fuck is wrong with people? Sony thinks we are morons and guess what, they are right.
oh that explains it. Here I thought I used PSN because it was a way for me to game with my friends who live far away without incurring any extra fees. But now I now I realize I was only using PSN because I'm a moron. Thanks for setting me straight.Inazuma wrote: It still doesn't change the fact that you have to use PSN to download these games. And that means, giving up your rights. It is really amazing that anyone still uses PSN at this point. What the fuck is wrong with people? Sony thinks we are morons and guess what, they are right.
