Most reliable NES/SNES

[fastbilly1]

Well Ziggy, then I must ask if the pin mod doesnt work, do you know what must be done? I gave this a search but most of the sites are blocked at work. That or does the Game Genie passthrough still work?

I dont want to play all the fancy chip games, just games like Super Bomberman 5 and Battle Cross. I am not the best at soldering, but I am very handy with a screwdriver.

[Rebz]

I read over at wikipedia that some toploaders had composite. You would get them if you returned your toploader to Nintendo. Probably super expensive though.

[Troglodyte]

I read over at Wikipedia that some top-loaders had composite. You would get them if you returned your top-loader to Nintendo. Probably super expensive though.

Only one or two people claim to have / are able to at least partially provide evidence that they have actually received / own these versions of the console. Either way, it is rumored that this model still didn't fix the problem completely. Just like the newest AV mod, the problem is fixed to about 90% - 95%, and the scan lines are hardly visible. However, they have confirmed that the lines are in fact still there, despite what many modders on eBay and elsewhere are claiming. They are just very faint. I have yet to see a 100% fix for this.

Also, does anyone know if performing the RGB mod with the NES2 and a PC10 PPU chip avoids this scan line problem altogether? Or does it still suffer from them much like it did on both native RF and modded in AV?

Thanks

[Ziggy]

Well Ziggy, then I must ask if the pin mod doesnt work, do you know what must be done? I gave this a search but most of the sites are blocked at work. That or does the Game Genie passthrough still work?

I dont want to play all the fancy chip games, just games like Super Bomberman 5 and Battle Cross. I am not the best at soldering, but I am very handy with a screwdriver.

You want to play PAL SNES games, or JPN SFC games? I thought we were talking about the region and 50/60Hz mod, or are you talking about the "removing the tabs to be able to insert SFC carts" mod?

If you want to remove the tabs to be able to insert SFC carts, then yes, you can do that on the SNES mini. But if we're talking about making it region free and a 50/60Hz switch in order to play PAL games, then I don't think you can do that to a SNES mini.

At least, I'm pretty sure you can't. Maybe it isn't impossible, just that no one has found a way of doing it yet. I haven't seen any guides for it, and mmmonkey's guide says it can't be done.

But I was just googling it more and found this...

http://www.gamesx.com/importmod/sneslockout.htm

That's a guide to disable the lockout chip on a "newstyle" SNES, which I'm assuming means the SNES mini. Though I can't tell if the pictures are of a original SNES or mini mobo. Also, I don't remember disabling the lockout chip looking like that in mmmonkey's guide, but I can't check because mmmonkey's site has been down.

[Troglodyte]

if we're talking about making it region free and a 50/60Hz switch in order to play PAL games, then I don't think you can do that to a SNES mini.

At least, I'm pretty sure you can't. Maybe it isn't impossible, just that no one has found a way of doing it yet. I haven't seen any guides for it, and mmmonkey's guide says it can't be done.

It can and has been done.
See here:
http://wiki.modretro.com/index.php?titl ... d_1chip.29

EDIT: Just saw this; WARNING: THIS MOD IS POORLY DOCUMENTED AND MAY BE FLAWED! DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK!

So who knows for sure...

I was just googling it more and found this:
http://www.gamesx.com/importmod/sneslockout.htm

That's a guide to disable the lockout chip on a "newstyle" SNES, which I'm assuming means the SNES mini. Though I can't tell if the pictures are of a original SNES or mini mobo. Also, I don't remember disabling the lockout chip looking like that in mmmonkey's guide, but I can't check because mmmonkey's site has been down.

That is a "new style" SNES mini motherboard. I used to own an SNES mini,
and had them both apart before selling the mini. I feel the mini is inferior,
as there is no native S-Video, or an easy way to mod it with RGB.

IMO, the SNES mini isn't all its cracked up to be, just like the top loading NES.

[Merz]

I've had a US SNES mini since shortly after it's release. I don't know anything about modding but I've been playing the Japanese Ranma game in it for like 10 years. Someone help me here, why can it play Japanese games?

[Troglodyte]

I've had a US SNES mini since shortly after it's release. I don't know anything about modding but I've been playing the Japanese Ranma game in it for like 10 years. Someone help me here, why can it play Japanese games?

I don't believe that the SNES mini had those tabs that prevented Japanese games from being able to fit into an American SNES; like the original model did. There is nothing in the lockout chip preventing one from playing Japanese games. Also, there shouldn't be ay compatibilities to speak of; since Japanese games also use the NTSC standard. European games on the other hand use PAL, and because of this difference, there can be graphical glitches as well as a 10% speed up in some PAL games when played on an NTSC SNES.

[Ziggy]

I've had a US SNES mini since shortly after it's release. I don't know anything about modding but I've been playing the Japanese Ranma game in it for like 10 years. Someone help me here, why can it play Japanese games?

I don't believe that the SNES mini had those tabs that prevented Japanese games from being able to fit into an American SNES; like the original model did. There is nothing in the lockout chip preventing one from playing Japanese games. Also, there shouldn't be ay compatibilities to speak of; since Japanese games also use the NTSC standard. European games on the other hand use PAL, and because of this difference, there can be graphical glitches as well as a 10% speed up in some PAL games when played on an NTSC SNES.

The SNES mini DID have the lockout tabs, mine did. But yes, NTSC-U/J SNES games have the same lockout chip. The only thing to prevent you from playing a game on the wrong system is the tabs on the mini and the fact that the NTSC-U cart is too big to fit in the SFC cart slot.

The fact that PAL games will be speed up doesn't matter, since most PAL SNES games are slowed down. Speeding them up will just be playing them at normal speed. In fact, a PAL SNES owner could opt to 50/60Hz mod their SNES in order to speed them up (and get rid of the borders).

Someone help me here, why can it play Japanese games?

Uh, is it in a Super Famicom cart shell? Looks like this?...



If that's what the cart looks like, then look in the cart slot on your SNES mini. Do you see the lockout tabs?



If no, that's why you can play it. If yes, then look at your cart. Did some one boor out two slots on the back of the cart to allow it to be inserted into a console WITH the lockout tabs?

[Troglodyte]

I read over at Wikipedia that some top-loaders had composite.
You would get them if you returned your top-loader to Nintendo.

I finally re-found the website(s) / video(s) concerning this topic:

• http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/15 ... -loader-av
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrf4cg320kA

I thought I would list them here for informational purposes.

[lisalover1]

What are you guys talking about? I can play Super Famicom games on my SNES Mini. All I had to do was remote 2 plastic tabs from the cartridge slot! The SNES Mini was the first console I ever got; I'm kind of disappointed that I can't get S-Video and RGB, but I'd rather mod it than trade it in. It still works just as good as when I got it.