Indy_aka_Rex wrote:The future of Sony doesn't depend on the PS3, Sony will certainly lose money if the PS3 loses - but Sony isn't going to go broke because of PS. Sony still earns hundreds of millions, if not billions annually from all of its divisions. Contrary to what people say, the gaming division isn't the only one that turns a profit.
Has it actually been proven anywhere that Sony turns a profit in their gaming HARDWARE division? Never seen an article that says so, and I've seen dozens that says Nintendo has been the only one to do that.
Sony probably makes good money in publishing deals though. And royalty fees, if they charge such.
Has it been published? To my knowledge... no official word about the profits from PS2 sales has been divulged by Sony. But with teardown estimates and the cost given to the PS2 at the time of its release, I think a profit from the sales of PS2s should've started coming in at around 2k2/2k3... at the most 2k4.
Indy_aka_Rex wrote:Has it been published? To my knowledge... no official word about the profits from PS2 sales has been divulged by Sony. But with teardown estimates and the cost given to the PS2 at the time of its release, I think a profit from the sales of PS2s should've started coming in at around 2k2/2k3... at the most 2k4.
Evil Avatar has always posted the numbers, quarterly. I specifically remember the news stories because the comments sections contained some of the most concentrated Sony bashing you could ever find.
It doesnt matter much to me if they care or not. Just as long as the gaming developers keep making games for their system, I'm fine. I'm not a sony fan boy at all, but I'm getting a PS3 mainly because it's technologically superior to the other two. Last gen I enjoyed the features on X-Box more because it could do more for me in terms of a media center, this gen has to go to the PS3 for glaringly obvious reasons. I'm not caring much about the price because really, I'm only getting one system. Once I've robbed a bank to get this one there is no saving up for the others.
This is how I broke it down to make my decision:
Wii - Great idea's but really, in 2-3 years, will I still be interested? Where is the DVD support? If all of my friends are getting one (As they love to boast), then why even sell extra controllers? Oh yea, that's right, you need to rape me with another one just in case a friend of mine doesnt have a Wii. No wonder they are that shape, easy to slide in. Thanks for looking out for the consumer Nintendo!
360 - Piss poor hardware set-up. The graphics may be great, but the external HD-DVD & Power Supply really make this look like someone wasnt thinking ahead. No hard drive for the core? You get a thumbs down this gen M$.
PS3 - One word; Linux. I'm surprised I havent heard more tech talk about how easy this console is going to be to mod. Sure we won't have Blu-Ray burners for a long time, but that's not stopping anyone from upgrading the hard drive, and streaming the data from a PC. Out of all the systems this will be the hardest to actually get back-ups on I believe, due to sheer size, but eventually, it'll be like have a Dreamcast all over again. Besides, I'm on the Blu-Ray band wagon, I'm a believer. Sony's price tag and marketing are absolutely horrible though, but that really doesnt make the actual system bad, just the company.
Saraph wrote:360 - Piss poor hardware set-up. No hard drive for the core ?
PS3 - One word; Linux. I'm surprised I havent heard more tech talk about how easy this console is going to be to mod.
I think the hardware configuration is great ! Very easy to program for. A plus if, developers are looking for the easy way out (They have all done this in the past with Sega Saturn and Playstation)..
I Question your statement on the 360 hdd, is that statement based on the fact that you may not be able to mod the 360 ?
On Sony, You can't believe that Linux config will be there until there is solid proof that it exists ! I believe, Sony is notorius for not holding up there end of the deal..
The PS3s UI/XMB runs off Linux. Sony has always supported "legal" homebrew in its consoles. With PS1s Net Yaroze, PS2s Linux kit and now the integrated Linux OS on the PS3.
BTW, there's already Blu-Ray burners out in the market. 2X blu-ray writers.... but the cost for one is 800 dollars.
Not to mention the burning software available ATM costs... oh... 50 grand.
EDIT: also - IGN just posted pricing for the PS3 controller and memory card (PS1/2) adapter:
40 for the controller
10 for the mem. card adapter.
Wow... so much for Ninty's B.S. "40 for the wand, 20 for the useless nunchuck attachment" pricing. 10 bucks less AND it has bluetooth 2.0 AND motion/tilt functionality.
Saraph wrote:360 - Piss poor hardware set-up. No hard drive for the core ?
I Question your statement on the 360 hdd, is that statement based on the fact that you may not be able to mod the 360 ?
Well, the lack of a HDD is all for the developer. It helps in modding, but there are other ways than using a built in HDD. I'm thinking of the fact that developers have to program a game without a HDD in mind, thus missing out on some seamless gameplay for the players.
Same thing for the Wii, but Nintendo is essentially using last gen technology and there is plenty of experience in that area when it comes to game loading. I'm pretty sure they'll be fine, but man, I've seen some 360 games with loading, and it was stop and go. Oblivion anyone?
Indy_aka_Rex wrote:The PS3s UI/XMB runs off Linux. Sony has always supported "legal" homebrew in its consoles. With PS1s Net Yaroze, PS2s Linux kit and now the integrated Linux OS on the PS3.
Yeah, we got "Devil Dice" and something else with Net Yaroze, nothing with PS2 and a dashboard and
web broswer support for PS3 .. (it's a spittin image of the PSP dash) I don't believe it will be open source....
Even with the HDD Oblivion chugs, despite the fact it uses data-caching and streams off the HDD. That's also a fault of 360s mediocre 5400rpm HDD. The good news with the PS3 is that, the HDD is fully upgradeable using any off-the-shelf notebook HDD. So you could easily replace it with a 7200 rpm, 80 gig or more HDD.
