The PS4 thread

[Fragems]

Selling mine off. It's a fun system, but I just have to much of a backlog and could use the cash. Really there isn't anything that I couldn't stand to wait a few years and play anyways. Probably will pick one up again in 2-3 years once the library expands and there is a good supply of sub $10 games.

[Cronozilla]

No and oddly they won't make one for some dumb unexplained(I think) reason, and PS3 remote won't work. I tried.

This is an explained move for a device that is supposed to be a media center. How about a 3rd party remote?

There is a third party remote.

However, the PS4 was NEVER marketed as a media center, that was the Xbox One. Sony's messaging for the PS4 was video games only.

Up until a week or so ago it didn't even have video file and DLNA support.

We might see a remote in the future, since the system's got the numbers now and they're opening it up to more features.

[Sano]

I am a SonyPony through and through but the promises of 360 backwards compatibility from the Xbox One have my interest peeked. Doubt Sony will ever implement something like this.

I know basic run down of the whole cell CPU making it "impossible" to backwards compatibility from PS4 to play PS3 games. I could be wrong about that now days, but anyone with any knowledge on this matter I am listening if you could teach!

[darsparx]

Yeah that is a nice feature it would be great to have...problem is how well would it work if sony even attempted it? I mean microsoft already said(from what I've heard and read in several places) that not all games will be supported even if they'll be attempting to add a good chunk of them...I think I'd rather just keep playing a ps3 instead for ps3 games at this point even if it would be convenient and space saving. Though on the subject of the e3 stuff I really want to play that Horizon: Zero Dawn...looks pretty interesting even if the subject has been touched before by other devs though I don't think quite that way (though it looks like if I have the Ico and Colossus games somehow I need to play them eventually)

[RCBH928]

However, the PS4 was NEVER marketed as a media center, that was the Xbox One. Sony's messaging for the PS4 was video games only.

with Spotify, Netflix, Bluray/DVD, and Sony's own original series it sounds to me just as good as any media center... except it has no remote

[Gamerforlife]

So besides the stuff announced at E3, the PS4 has some interesting niche, Japanese titles coming out in the very near future (like this month or next month) that I'm interested in:

Onechanbara Z2: Chaos - I've never tried an Onechanbara game, this would be my first
J-Stars Victory VS - Playable Kenshin? That kind of has me sold right there
Deception IV: Nightmare Princess

That's always been the nice thing about PS consoles, the Japanese support. New Disgaea later this year too, plus Samurai Warriors 4-II

[Cronozilla]

with Spotify, Netflix, Bluray/DVD, and Sony's own original series it sounds to me just as good as any media center... except it has no remote

Personal classification > Actual classification.
Got it.

By the way, the color red is now blue. Just letting everyone know.

:P

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Backwards compatibility for PS3 on PS4 isn't even a possibility. The best Sony could do (and won't do) is allow you to unlock digital copies or streaming copies on PSN and PlayStation Now. For PS1 and PS2, they could probably implement it, but it would cut into PlayStation Classics.

I think the reality is that PS3 owners aren't the PS4's audience. So, those people have no issues rebuying titles. And getting PS3 owners onto PS4 probably isn't Sony's current concern, so the potential loss of sales from ports and the additional cost of developing the feature isn't worth the 18% or whatever marketshare of PS4 owners who also owned a PS3.

If it was more like 45%, it'd probably be different.

I think the only reason Microsoft put in any sort of 360 support in Xbox One was to try to entice 360 holdouts to move over to XB1 (even though a good chunk have likely already bought a PS4 if they're interested in this generation at all)

Some other thoughts:

Microsoft is going to do anything they can to try to get people on Xbox One, their market share is only 2.5M units higher than Wii U (It's 9.5M units behind PS4). Which is a small enough gap that could potentially be within the margin of error. (Especially considering VGChartz isn't the most accurate place, and Nintendo doesn't release all figures) If XB1's second half of 2015 performance is the same as its first half, it's third calendar year will be worse than Wii U's third calendar year. Wii U's fourth calendar year looks to be its weakest so far, but they have a slate of titles for holiday and stuff like Zelda is still coming, so who knows what it'll look like while being views from 2016. I think the question for Xbox One is, is Halo 5 and a promise of Gears 4 enough to get Xbox people to buy the machine? Or have all the Xbox people already bought the machine and everyone who just played Call of Duty on the thing just moved to PS4?

Not trolling at all, I'm curious if the Xbox numbers have been inflated each generation and this is the first time that they aren't. With the original Xbox, there was a new franchise, Halo, as well as the ridiculous amount of Sega support. In their second generation, the 360, they were there first and got the Call of Duty crowd to call their system home ... but so far for Xbox One, there's been no migration like that, so the only people left are people who like Xbox for Xbox, and I'm wondering how large that crowd is exactly. It appears to be no larger than any other system fans, they just don't have the "standard" on their side this generation.

[RCBH928]

By the way, the color red is now blue. Just letting everyone know.

:P

If Sony says So...

[isiolia]

I think the only reason Microsoft put in any sort of 360 support in Xbox One was to try to entice 360 holdouts to move over to XB1 (even though a good chunk have likely already bought a PS4 if they're interested in this generation at all)

It's a practical way to expand the library. While, right now, that might mean letting people hold on to their favorites, or bring home stacks of games from the $5 and Under bin... Realistically, 8th gen is just getting rolling. The consoles still have another 7-8 years (or more) on the market, and that backwards compatibility is groundwork that'll let them keep selling digital 360 games well after Gamestop pennies the last disc out.

Frankly, it took Sony getting taken down a peg in 7th gen to see the PS3 become what it did, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing out of MS this gen. As a consumer, I win either way.

MS may wind up winning out with robust in-home streaming as well.

[Cronozilla]

It's a practical way to expand the library. While, right now, that might mean letting people hold on to their favorites, or bring home stacks of games from the $5 and Under bin... Realistically, 8th gen is just getting rolling. The consoles still have another 7-8 years (or more) on the market, and that backwards compatibility is groundwork that'll let them keep selling digital 360 games well after Gamestop pennies the last disc out.

Frankly, it took Sony getting taken down a peg in 7th gen to see the PS3 become what it did, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing out of MS this gen. As a consumer, I win either way.

MS may wind up winning out with robust in-home streaming as well.

That's true.

But, if this generation isn't as long as the last one, people won't be spreading to a new console before it's over.

Also

looking at annual sales data, PS3 never actually did as poorly as people thought. It was completely perception. In it's lifespan the 360 sold more units annually on only two calendar years, and one of those years was the year the PS3 launched (was in market for less than a quarter). PS3 outsold 360 in 2007-2012. But they were both selling well, almost equally well, during that period. It's possible, because the PS3 was outsold in North America, our perception of this is completely skewed.