Together Retro: The Quake Series / Quake Live -WHEN TO PLAY?

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I think Q3A was a high point, too.

See, I don't, mainly because Unreal Tournament came out a month before, and I was into that by the time I got my hands on Quake 3.

I have yet to try Rage, but it's on my list of titles to check out.

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I think Q3A was a high point, too.

See, I don't, mainly because Unreal Tournament came out a month before, and I was into that by the time I got my hands on Quake 3.

I truly love both and split my time pretty equally across them back when they were new. I had that university T1 connection in the dorms and liked the fact that I could bounce between them with aplomb. There are design choices and elements I prefer in one over the other, and I think both are pretty much indispensable.

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I do like Quake Live, but it is really just Quake 3 in new garb. I don't think of it as a new id thing.

that's fair enough. And I assume that we're not counting recent Wolf games as iD because they're developed by Raven and Machine? (Though in fairness, Raven developed Q4. And Heretic/Hexen were outside developers too weren't they?)

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I do like Quake Live, but it is really just Quake 3 in new garb. I don't think of it as a new id thing.

that's fair enough. And I assume that we're not counting recent Wolf games as iD because they're developed by Raven and Machine? (Though in fairness, Raven developed Q4. And Heretic/Hexen were outside developers too weren't they?)

Yeah, Raven did Quake 4, Heretic, Hexen, and the more recent Wolfenstein games. Return to Castle Wolfenstein was Grey Matter Interactive, who later became part of Treyarch.

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the most recent Wolfensteins (New Order, and upcoming Old Blood) were MachineGames, not Raven.

But my question is do we count those in this discussion of post-2000 iD games? Cuz New Order was awesome.

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the most recent Wolfensteins (New Order, and upcoming Old Blood) were MachineGames, not Raven.

But my question is do we count those in this discussion of post-2000 iD games? Cuz New Order was awesome.

Yeah, you're right. Raven did the 2009 Wolfenstein game and now does annual Call of Duty games.

Generally Doom, Quake, and Rage are the only ones we talk about with id anymore(and Rage may have been a one-off).

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oh snap you're right. Raven did COD Advanced Warfare - which I am not at all shocked at since Quake 4 is reminding me a lot of that game. They also did COD Ghosts which I've wanted to play. I guess I like Raven.

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Am I right to assume that Hexen/Heretic are closer in spirit to the original Quake?

Sort of. More magic, less guns. I'd be interested in revisiting these at some point. In this series I have played through Heretic and about half or so of Hexen II...and that's it.

Heretic literally being Doom replacing the guns with identical fantasy weapons (minus the BFG turning into something completely different) but it builds on the game by adding an inventory system. Hexen changes things up by giving you a jump button and only four weapons for each character, and there's three characters that play differently. Not to mention the aforementioned hub design.

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Also, I was the guy who nominated Hexen for this year's TR as opposed to Quake. Just saying...

We need to look at this entire series too.

Going to do the maze that is E2M4 sometime today. Can't wait

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Raven is definitely a solid dev, I've liked many of their games. Wolfenstein was good from them, but was missing something, New Order was miles better. Singularity which is their last game before CoD, was a miss in my book as well. The gameplay was great, but the game in general just felt kinda blah to me.

I need to try Rage again.

That said, I remember that what I played felt like a pale Borderlands imitation.

You really do if that's your impression of it. Borderlands and Rage are very different games. I mean they're both post-apoc... The gunplay in Rage is perfect, typical id.