Wii-U thoughts so far

[irixith]

Wii U runs Wii games natively; they render at their native resolution, and the video output is upscaled to your output resolution. They will look a little cleaner/colours will be slightly cooler depending on your TV settings. That's it.

[Xeogred]

Ditto. Jaggies still intact, but yeah I think Wii games look pretty decent on my TV via Wii U.

[emwearz]

My understanding was that running in Wii mode, regardless of HDMI or not (which is cleaner) was that it still was just 480p.

Yes I think you are right. Still outputs at 480p but does it up-res it to what the Wii U naturally output to?

I have my U set to output 1080 and my TV shows an input res of 1080 when I'm in Wii mode.

The Xbox 360 shows all games at 1080P as well, does not mean there internal resolution is 1920X1080.

[ejamer]

@RCBH928
When I check Metacritic scores, the average score for top 10 Wii games (first-party, third-party, or combined) is better than average score for the top 10 Wii U games.

When I check sales figures, Wii games didn't sell worse than Wii U games. (Not sure why you brought this up or how it relates to game quality though. Flappy Bird must be a damn good game if sales are our measuring stick.)

When I look at my personal library of Wii vs Wii U games, it's pretty clear that Wii wins out there too - although I personally think both have many games worth playing, Wii just has more and offers a similar level of quality experiences.

Not taking any other consoles or competitors into account would help your argument and make the parade of ports (with varying quality) seem more impressive, but that simply isn't valid for many people and definitely wasn't part of the original statement.

You are free to believe whatever you like, but so far I've seen no meaningful support for the claim that the first-party library on Wii U is currently better than what Wii offers. That statement was just thrown out there without any justification, and then the argument somehow got twisted to include third parties. Any measuring stick I see suggests that Wii offers the better first-party library - in most cases, it's not really even that close right now.

My personal belief: it will be a close call for first-party software when all is said and done, but Wii U just hasn't had time to put of some of the big first-party titles it needs to compete. Wait for Zelda and Xenoblade to be released and check back. For third-party software, the sheer number of games released on Wii, many being exclusive, means that it will always be the better choice.

[Ziggy]

Yes I think you are right. Still outputs at 480p but does it up-res it to what the Wii U naturally output to?

I have my U set to output 1080 and my TV shows an input res of 1080 when I'm in Wii mode.

The Xbox 360 shows all games at 1080P as well, does not mean there internal resolution is 1920X1080.

I'm aware of that, I thought the question was if the U would upscale the virtual Wii if you have it set to output 720 or 1080.

Ditto. Jaggies still intact, but yeah I think Wii games look pretty decent on my TV via Wii U.

Personally, I don't like the way the U upscales the Wii. Jaggies are more apparent. My TV does a better job smoothing everything out. Of course, results will vary.

[emwearz]

Oh then my bad!

I agree, I prefer playing my Wii games via my Wii (with component) than via the Wii U.

[Ziggy]

I agree, I prefer playing my Wii games via my Wii (with component) than via the Wii U.

It's a great space saver, or if you never owned a Wii for some reason. Or if you had a Wii then got a U and decided to keep them in different rooms. But aside from the upscaling, I play my Wii too often to have to boot up the U, wait, then boot into the vWii and wait for that to load, THEN boot my Wii game. Using the real Wii is just so much quicker. Not to mention my Wii has all the digital purchases I've made, and I don't want to transfer it to the U for the same reasons.

Yeah, component is where it's at with the Wii. I've been using component pretty much since I got the Wii. But it's funny, at the time I was using this component switch box that apparently didn't like my Wii. It would freeze the picture every so often (while the video continued) and made games unplayable. So I ended up using component cables but kept the console set to 480i, and it would work fine. Currently I'm using the Framemeister to output 480p, just for the sake of having everything on HDMI (and not having to switch inputs on my TV ever). The Framemeister is apparently not as good as upscaling 480 as it is 240, I've been told using that little Wii HDMI adapter thing (specifically the 480 version that does NOT upscale) is a better choice, but I'm fresh out of HDMI inputs.

/ramble

[Xeogred]

Yeah I thought the HDMI upscaler was better than component, I had one a bit before I got a Wii U. I still think games look even slightly better via the Wii U though, but like you said it's all going to be case by case depending on the TV and everything.

I was actually scammed with my first Wii which had all my downloaded games and such. Can't remember all the details, but I had shipped it out before I got payment... then I never did. I'll never forget it.

I have two Wii's now, even have the special red one. But yeah I almost never use them lol.

[Tanooki]

@RCBH928
When I check Metacritic scores, the average score for top 10 Wii games (first-party, third-party, or combined) is better than average score for the top 10 Wii U games.

When I check sales figures, Wii games didn't sell worse than Wii U games. (Not sure why you brought this up or how it relates to game quality though. Flappy Bird must be a damn good game if sales are our measuring stick.)

When I look at my personal library of Wii vs Wii U games, it's pretty clear that Wii wins out there too - although I personally think both have many games worth playing, Wii just has more and offers a similar level of quality experiences.

Eh metacritic is kind of debatable as they have a weird number system, but that said you're right, they do fare worse on Wii U. Sales figures are irrelevant comparing a system from 2012 and 2006 -- many more years on the market to push stuff. Perhaps one would be smarter taking into account of total systems owned, how many of X game sold, and then doing a PERCENTAGE to see if something moves better/worse? Wii probably would win though on that. As much as the Wii disgusted me, before I was completely turned off even buying games for it about 3 years ago (other than MP Trilogy I played on WiiU) I got far far more use out of it and the first party games that didn't stink(kart/brawl) and there were some third party gems and diamonds in the rough I put good hours on (even that dragon quest game.)

The WiiU I've had like 12 or so games for it, and the satisfaction wasn't there on half of those to bother finishing them or in a few cases keeping them at all. The WiiU just never got a fair shake and it never will. It will never get the amount of third party support even the Wii got which was fairly terrible, but at least it did exist and had some goodness to it. Wii got abandoned fairly well by some, but it was never outright ignored by most of the industry so to even think the WiiU will have the better third party line up is denial at its finest, though the first party stuff only time will tell.

[Omerta]

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