Wii-U thoughts so far

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Wii-U

I'm in for one
120
43%
Maybe later
96
35%
Not interested
45
16%
Undecided
16
6%
 
Total votes: 277

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Cronozilla wrote:The argument is that it was the perception of the time, and continues to be an issue in the gamer-public's eye in regard to Nintendo.

Is anyone making the argument that the GameCube, in retrospect, is actually a kiddy consoles with kiddy games? No
It's a "problem" that persisted, in large part, because even after the relative retail failure of the GCN Nintendo continued to promote its Wii and Wii U primarily with what are essentially cute cartoon characters (DK, Mario, Link, Kirby, Animal Crossing, etc.), which is an illustration style that is associated with kid's entertainment. Even the aesthetic for Metroid screams "late afternoon TV shows aimed at young boys." Nintendo has made its bones with this audience and approach, but it makes more "mature" games on the system seem out of place.

It is also true that the vast majority of best-selling games on Nintendo consoles are games that kids can easily engage in, are rated E, etc.

Nintendo might have more "mature" games available on its consoles, and some have had sales success, but I don't think it is fair to say that there's a misconception that Nintendo consoles are for kids. It's a very reasonable perception: Nintendo consoles are primarily marketed that way and are especially successful with younger audiences. The Gamecube, much more so than its competition, is a "kiddy console with kiddy games" (as is the Wii, Wii U, etc.).
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I remember reading somewhere that Nintendo never actually intended that to happen, and were quite frustrated with being sacked with the 'kiddie' image. Seemed like by the time Wii came around, they just kinda shrugged and decided to roll with it, which seemed to work well for them, at least for a time.

N64 didn't seem to have the same problem, at least not to the same extent, despite having a lot of similar problems with its library. I'd imagine the popularity of stuff like Goldeneye helped a lot there.
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AppleQueso wrote:N64 didn't seem to have the same problem, at least not to the same extent, despite having a lot of similar problems with its library. I'd imagine the popularity of stuff like Goldeneye helped a lot there.
I don't know - I think it did, actually. I'm old enough to have already been an adult when the N64 hit its stride (I was a senior in HS when it released) and frankly very few folks in High School and NO ONE in college I knew had an N64. Lots of PS1s. Plenty of Saturns. Zero N64s. Young adults were not buying them, but parents were for their teens and kids.

I would guess that a few years later people who were young teens when the system came out were still playing the more "mature" titles by the time they were finishing HS and going to college, but at least at release and for its first few years the system WAS seen as one for kids with almost exclusively kids games.
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I guess my only argument would be the perception and how I never understood why it existed. On the N64, games like Turok, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, WWF No Mercy, Fighters Destiny etc actually made me think the N64 was pretty hardcore and "cool". Then the Gamecube was announced and Capcom came out and said the Resident Evil franchise would be exclusive to GameCube, starting with a remake of the first one and later the ling anticipated Zero. There were other a"adult" games too.

So I guess it shocks me that those things weren't enough to shake off the "kiddy" image. Especially as I never had that perception myself. But then I guess Celda, water bottle backpack wearing Mario and the rumours of a cel shaded Perfect Dark didn't help Nintendo. That with the whole purple look.
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Reprise wrote:Turok, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, WWF No Mercy, Fighters Destiny etc actually made me think the N64 was pretty hardcore and "cool".
I think the console's image had been defined before these games came out - the system had already a year of titles and an additional year or so of advertising with an emphasis on "kids games" before any of those titles you named were out. Two of those games came out ~four years into the system's life, which supports the suggestion that more "mature" games were being bought on the N64 primarily by those who first had the console as a kid and were now getting a bit older.

Then the Gamecube was announced and Capcom came out and said the Resident Evil franchise would be exclusive to GameCube, starting with a remake of the first one and later the ling anticipated Zero.
Like with some of your examples above though, RE4 didn't come out until ~4 years into the system's life and was likely picked up by a substantial audience who had the GCN as a kid and were starting to get a bit older. Bayonetta 2 will likely suffer the same problem on the Wii U - these games are coming out only AFTER the system's place as "the one for kids" is already firmly rooted in the public psyche, and for good reasons.
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One other point of interest, to introduce some stats...


Number of "M" rated games (percentage of US library)
PS1: 100 (7.8%)
N64: 28 (9.5%)
SAT: 19 (7.8%)

PS2: 261 (~10.5%)
Xbox: 190 (~24%)
Gamecube: 46 (~8.3%)
Dreamcast: 35 (~14.5%)

(based on http://www.mobygames.com/attribute/shee ... Id,93/p,6/)
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Well I did say "or not to the same extent at least" and I do stand by that. Not hard to find plenty of stories of N64 being a college staple, etc, and I do have fond memories of older cousins and older siblings of friends who were in their teens or older enjoying the system.

It certainly *did* have the problem though, and it's certainly where it started (actually you could probably make a case for it starting during the SNES days now that I think about it, they were the console with the blood-less Mortal Kombat after all) but I think the Gamecube had the problem worse.
dsheinem wrote: Number of "M" rated games (percentage of US library)
PS1: 100 (7.8%)
N64: 28 (9.5%)
SAT: 19 (7.8%)
Now that's genuinely surprising. N64 has the highest percentage.
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xbox so mature tho
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TSTR wrote:xbox so mature tho
it's green and black that just screams EDGE
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AppleQueso wrote:
TSTR wrote:xbox so mature tho
it's green and black that just screams EDGE
wow
so edgy
much mature
such dew n doritos

#EXTREEEM
#GAMERFUEL
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