Brony discussion split

[AppleQueso]

I'm not part of the 'community' or whatever, I don't really care to try and explain to people what they're all about because frankly I have no idea anyways and I'm not sure why anyone else is so particularly concerned.

It's a show about talking rainbow horses. A bunch of people inexplicably like something that you don't understand the appeal of. It happens.

But you see how that comes across?

"I just like it 'because'! If you don't get it, oh well! I refuse to provide explanations that defuse your insulting assumptions! Thhhbbbbbt!"

And thus no progress is made, and the ideas that people enjoy it JUST for the sake of confounding people or getting attention (at best) or perhaps due to mental wiring issues or dangerous libidos (at worst) persist...

So it's my responsibility to defuse your unfounded assumptions?

And I've mentioned an explanation. Several times now. It's a character driven show and I enjoy the characters and their interactions. I like the aesthetic. The show has a more casual and relaxing vibe to it than the manic nature of a lot of other popular shows. It's generally positive and not very cynical, which feels refreshing.

I'm not sure what you're wanting or expecting to hear or what would satisfy you.

[ZeroAX]

I'm not sure what you're wanting or expecting to hear or what would satisfy you.

Tell him he's right

[dsheinem]

No they weren't. Final Fantasy was created for teenagers and Sonic was created for kids. The fact that they have universal appeal has to do more with their excellent design (more or less when it comes to FF). It's the same for Disney films compared to other animated films.

But do you see what you did there? In two sentences you provided a set of reasonable arguments for why adults may find sincere enjoyment in properties that "on their face" seem targeted towards younger ones:

-it is an appreciation of game design (of levels, systems, etc.)
-it is an appreciation of what makes something universal (storytelling technique, character design, etc.)

On both arguments, we can dissect the games or have intellectual "adult" discussion about what support their might be for the claims, the place of the games relative to games more broadly or media more broadly, etc. I can explain to someone why Pixar's "Up" works across multiple age levels and critical frames but why "The Adventures Of Chuck And Friends: Friends To The Finish" might not. I can explain the difference between level design and challenge in Sonic relative to Crystal's Pony Tail.

With MLP, I don't hear those kinds of arguments presented in a meaningful way that help me explain what adults find in it...

[jp1]

You sure you aren't Danny Tanner in real life?

The reference eludes me. You're going to need to elaborate.

Only when the situation calls for it then. Like here for instance.

Difference being in real life I'm far less cordial to people who self proclaim they are dicks.

I'll quote Eminem instead, how about that?

“I don't care if you're black, white, straight, bisexual, gay, lesbian, short, tall, fat, skinny, rich or poor. If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you. Simple as that."

[dunpeal2064]

@DSH: From what my girl says, the character's portray certain aspects (as in, each one is assigned one of these traits, I assume), and as you come to know these traits, the show begins to explore them in interesting ways. It brings to light the good and bad that can come from these traits, but never really explicitly states that one trait is good or bad to have. It just naturally shows these... things, that you come across in day-to-day life, without taking sides.

It makes sense to me, but I've only seen one episode personally.

Now, I can't make an argument for Power Rangers.

[jp1]

No they weren't. Final Fantasy was created for teenagers and Sonic was created for kids. The fact that they have universal appeal has to do more with their excellent design (more or less when it comes to FF). It's the same for Disney films compared to other animated films.

But do you see what you did there? In two sentences you provided a set of reasonable arguments for why adults may find sincere enjoyment in properties that "on their face" seem targeted towards younger ones:

-it is an appreciation of game design (of levels, systems, etc.)
-it is an appreciation of what makes something universal (storytelling technique, character design, etc.)

On both arguments, we can dissect the games or have intellectual "adult" discussion about what support their might be for the claims, the place of the games relative to games more broadly or media more broadly, etc. I can explain to someone why Pixar's "Up" works across multiple age levels and critical frames but why "The Adventures Of Chuck And Friends: Friends To The Finish" might not. I can explain the difference between level design and challenge in Sonic relative to Crystal's Pony Tail.

With MLP, I don't hear those kinds of arguments presented in a meaningful way that help me explain what adults find in it...

Do you often find it necessary to explain your interests to people in order to be treated with dignity? Here's an answer, it's none of your business why they like it. Pretty simple, right?

EDIT: Also, I am being a dick in this response so as not to be too Danny Tannerish. Now I'm going for a Huldeputt Dixon kinda vibe.

[dsheinem]

So it's my responsibility to defuse your unfounded assumptions?

No, but you started to offer some thoughts so I was asking you to continue them. My issue is that NO ONE has ever explained it to me, at least not with any degree of sophistication that surpasses the explanation I would expect from the target audience of youngsters.

So take, for example, these "explanations" below...which are the most detailed you've provided. As stated, they still don't really tell me anything.

And I've mentioned an explanation. Several times now. It's a character driven show and I enjoy the characters and their interactions.

What is interesting about the character development and their interactions? Are they especially complex or do they have engaging arcs? Is there a flexibility to them that allows for interesting social commentary? Is there something novel in them? Do they allow for new kinds of stories to be told?

I like the aesthetic.

Ok, cool. What do you like about it? Is it a particular blend of other classic animation design elements? A particular palette and its relationship to the content? Does it provide a particular kind of resonance that is useful for other elements of the show?

The show has a more casual and relaxing vibe to it than the manic nature of a lot of other popular shows. It's generally positive and not very cynical, which feels refreshing.

Moreso than other kids shows? Plenty of those are quite docile and calming. Do the other elements you discussed above have a relationship to the positive nature or "relaxing vibe"?

I'm not sure what you're wanting or expecting to hear or what would satisfy you.

From adults? Adult explanations.

Again, I am not asking YOU to do this per se if you don't want...but it irritates me that NO ONE really does this and that instead inquiries from those who WANT to understand the attraction are met with a "whatever, if you don't get it, that's on YOU!"

[dsheinem]

Do you often find it necessary to explain your interests to people in order to be treated with dignity? Here's an answer, it's none of your business why they like it. Pretty simple, right?

If my interests were constantly suspected of being tied to pedophilia and/or poor mental development I would be chomping at the bit (a pun!) to explain them to people.

[Nyukki]

I just typed My Little Pony into PornMD. To be fair, I've seen weirder.

[Ack]

8 pages in, Hobie and I still don't have an answer to our question about rates of autism among My Little Pony fans and the use of autism organizational color code badges at conventions.

I and some others did give personally experiences with autism and fandom? What are you looking for, a study? I am sure you searched it by now and if you didn't find one we sure won't either.

But if you type MLP and autism you get a lot of results. Here's a poll on a MLP fan site.
http://www.everypony.com/forums/showthr ... the-fandom

I also should note that it is very common to have gender issues for people on the spectrum. That alone might drive more people on the spectrum to MLP then other fandoms.

While I am only able to read your post as that of a sarcastic asshat, yes, this actually serves as a decent starting point for what I was wondering about. Thank you.

I didn't ask about your personal experiences, I asked if anyone had knowledge about why a color coding system from an autism-related organization would be used at a convention based around My Little Pony and whether this was some kind of signifier of a large percentage of the fan base suffering from autism. Note: there is nothing in my question about gender issues. There is nothing in my question about whether My Little Pony can be enjoyed by adults. There is nothing in my question about the voice actors, the age of the audience, or whether My Little Pony is a good show or not. There is only a question about autism rates because of the use of an autism-related color code for communication.

Yes, The7k's response to this question was based on personal experiences concerning the use of this system at anime conventions, but I appreciate his response and willingness to engage in the original question for the thread, and he did it with considerably less snark. He gave a concrete reasoning why such a system might exist(cosplayers and public attention), gave his personal view on the issue, and gave his thoughts on the specifics of the question at hand.

As for your tone, I disapprove.