Who hates Apple?

[equalsign]

Same to you buddy, I'm applying to chapman as we speak, probably the most advanced film school in the country at the time. (yes, usc is building a new facility, but that isn't done yet, and in terms of technology, Chapman can't be beat) and they run on a windows environment. Strictly. Chapman prides itself on it's film school so I think they have pretty good idea of what they're doing. I've worked with local directors and pbs who ran on mac and he was pulling his fucking hair out by the end of the day because of it. I don't make claims out of my ass.

Furthermore, I had a mac book for the entirety of my stay at my Katrina high school and that thing crashed and froze just as much as my t42. Mind you this was years ago but it still was during the days where everybody spread the bullshit that mac's are impervious. I've fixed peoples macs, I've had one for myself, I've seen them used in the professional field. They are just a fallible as a windows based pc.

Most professional video and film environments I've been in use macs and prefer them. I've never had a problem with my mac and have never even known someone who has. My experiences have always been exactly the opposite. I guess that's that then .

I don't hate Windows, I just hate people who hate macs because it's cool to be an anti-pop culture dick (of which you are not, so none of this applies to you). Whoop dee doo and screw you. So you saw some commercial you didn't like and feel ready to make a final judgment on the product it represents from your pompous, ill-advised, "somehow greater than every other consumer's" standpoint. Anyone who disagrees with you is quite obviously just following the crowd, the product of incest, or an idiot. Have fun ranting on the internet about how you liked this before it was became popular and that before it was cool you ignorant consumer scum. Forming an opinion on something just to go against the mass mind is just a roundabout way of letting the mass mind form your opinion.

And now I've successfully established myself as a ranting, pissy 12 year old. Great.

[RadarScope1]

It's probably already been said, but once those PC vs Mac ads started hitting the airwaves, I lost all interest in their products as a whole. I can't in good conscience support a company that savors it's own bullshit like that. Hopefully those ads converted no one, but I have a feeling that's not so true.

I know what you're saying but isn't this pretty much what every ad/commercial does, whether directly or indirectly?

[MrPopo]

Well, there's two schools of thought for commercials.

The first is to show what your product can do, and let that speak for itself. It does indirectly jab at your competitor by (hopefully) saying that the competitor does not provide what your product does, but it's very low key. The focus is on how awesome you are in a vacuum.

The second is to actively attack the competitor's product. This ranges from the relatively benign "Bounty picks up twice as much as the leading paper towel" to the more mean-spirited style that was seen in Sega commercials in the Genesis/Gamegear era and with most of the Mac commercials that stick in your mind. However, if you make your ad overly aggressive, as in this case, you can end up alienating potential customers who don't like the attitude they get from your company.

[t0yrobo]

I would tolerate all the mac ads, some of them are rather funny. I think it was the flaming zune logo they used in a presentation awhile back that really set me against their attitude. Well that and the new laptops kinda stink.

[gradualmeltdown]

I work in the entertainment industry currently managing content and configuring Media Servers for large scale events and concerts. There is no standard or "better" between the many operating systems including OSX and Wiindows. Most of what we use are proprietary variations of these operating systems. Companies like Green Hippo, Grass Valley, Arkaos and other heavy hitters use the best components of whatever OS they like best to make their hardware and software work best. Some of the best and most solid video switching hardware in the world has a variant of Windows inside....it was hard for me to believe.


My point. I use the computer that does what I like it to do. Apple and MS are both giant douchebag companies that annoy and screw me over and over.

Up until recently I toured playing live electronic music. Currently Mac OSX on a Macbook Pro is the most stable way to run Ableton Live (music performance soft.) during events. I would use a cheaper Windows based laptop if it would work. There is no way I am trusting an out of the box consumer Windows OS to make me look good on stage. I've seen it, not fun.

[lordofduct]

The war happened... luckily I've made it this far unscathed.


Time for a can of beans.


You know, the "I'm a mac/ I'm a PC" commercials aren't really all that bad in my book. Kind of narcasistic true, but beyond that, when isn't marketing narcacism in a bottle?

I just don't like Mac for being Mac and all that Mac can be. Grr on you mac.

[Krooze L-Roy]

I've only really used a Mac during a music class I took in junior college, which had half the room filled with PCs and the other with Macs. Maybe it was just this one particular piece of software (Logic), but the PCs crashed constantly while the Macs hardly ever did. For music-making especially, it was a pleasure using something that allowed you to zone out and forget about the hardware you were using, rather than "oh, shit, it's been five minutes. Better save."

[ott0bot]

I've only really used a Mac during a music class I took in junior college, which had half the room filled with PCs and the other with Macs. Maybe it was just this one particular piece of software (Logic), but the PCs crashed constantly while the Macs hardly ever did. For music-making especially, it was a pleasure using something that allowed you to zone out and forget about the hardware you were using, rather than "oh, shit, it's been five minutes. Better save."

I use pro tools mostly and thats why I went a mac. I've had too many bad experiences with a pc crashing and losing data that I had already saved because it corrupted. Never once happened on a mac for me in any studio I've ever used. Still...save often and save your back ups sessions, then store on several sources, including a DVD. Bands hate it when you lose there albums!

[masonyes]

It was a harsh and terrible war but in the end windows prevailed with an enormous and unprecendeted 90 percent of the market share. That's one of the reasons why I want microsoft to win;' because it's impressive to maintain a monopoly and nearly impossible to do so. So props to microsoft for their excellent business operations!! and negative points to all of you Tisk tisk and tisk tisk to anyone who argues over any sort of consumer product. It's gold in the eyes of a markerter/advertising rep.
hahaha ahaha it's funny, you still did it.

[marurun]

Disclaimer: I currently have 3 Windows XP machines in the house and the only Mac is broken and doesn't work, but I have a lot of Mac in my history as an IT support specialist and administrator.

Back when Apple had a less-stable but much more user-friendly operating system (System 7 and OS 8.x trounced win95 and 98 in practical usability) I was a big Apple fan. Yeah, they were overpriced and used weird hardware, but they felt like a personal, caring company. And then they invited Steve Jobs back.

Steve Jobs is a helluva salesman and he can pick out what works and what doesn't like no other technology fortune-teller, but he IS a huckster, as much as Bill Gates, and he IS an ass-hole. So now I hate Apple's corporate attitudes and front man more than ever but I still love their products.

These days Apple's OS X is only slightly more usable than Windows XP and Vista. It's a close call, really. And while their hardware still "costs more", these days you get more for what you pay. Meaning Apple only sells premium computers, and compared to other premium computers they are priced competitively (as long as you buy your own upgrades and don't pay the Apple premium for, say, increased system RAM or something). Apple doesn't sell budget computers so there is no point of comparison with budget-priced offerings.

Apple's first-version hardware is always shaky but once the hardware has been through a revision their products are the equal of any top-tier competitor when it comes to reliability and durability (not only do I have lots of anecdotal evidence but almost every computer quality survey performed by a major publisher or institution finds this same conclusion). Not only that, but Apple continues to have better quality support than most competitors.

Apple's key appears to be their professional applications and iLife suite. My parents use iPhoto to manage and do stuff with their home photos they could probably not manage nearly as well with 3rd party software on a Windows machine. My wife uses Garage Band at work and there is truly no appropriate Windows competitor for that software. For professional video Mac no longer rules the roost, but for pro audio there is no better platform. You can do very good quality pro audio with Windows, sure. Nothing's stopping you, but the Mac does seem to still have better footing and better product offerings in that market.

But you know what's most important here? What any one person wants to use. It doesn't matter what I think or what someone else thinks. It's what YOU think. When it comes to Apple, Microsoft, Dell, whatever, unless they have somehow burned you personally there is nothing to hate. People who say they hate Apple have far too much free time or wasted emotion and need to find something to do with themselves. I doubt Apple somehow ruined your life. Microsoft is maybe a different story. Some of their decisions really do have broad impact, and from time to time I've truly disliked them. But Office 2007 (which I've found many people hate) is actually a real gem. It's easy to use and the first novel thing they've done with Office in YEARS. Really, just YEARS. Office XP and 2003 offered nothing, really, over 2000. 2007 finally gets it right.

Anyway, enough ranting. Let the flames fly. But don't get personal.