Does your state require a photo ID to vote? Don't vote!

[BoneSnapDeez]

Claim the government is too large / powerful and intrudes into people's private lives.
Demand that citizens carry state-issued identification and present it when voting.

#justrepublicanthings

[ninjainspandex]

Claim the government is too large / powerful and intrudes into people's private lives.
Demand that citizens carry state-issued identification and present it when voting.

#justrepublicanthings

Claims that people should show ID and go through extensive background checks before owning a gun.

Throws a temper tantrum when asked to show ID to vote, and that it is repression of a constitutional right

#justdemocratthings

[dsheinem]

Claim the government is too large / powerful and intrudes into people's private lives.
Demand that citizens carry state-issued identification and present it when voting.

#justrepublicanthings

Claims that people should show ID and go through extensive background checks before owning a gun.

Throws a temper tantrum when asked to show ID to vote, and that it is repression of a constitutional right

#justdemocratthings

#falseanalogy
#republicanreasoning

[ninjainspandex]

I'm sure your furiously typing the reason why now.

[BoneSnapDeez]

Not the guns again!!!

You can't kill someone through voting (well, not directly anyway).

Don't Republicans also favor background checks for guns?

I'm cool with guns btw. Lived in rural "hunting country" my whole life. Also, not a Democrat.

[Ack]

#findsgeneralizationsaboutpoliticalpartiesinsultingandbeneaththemembersofthisforum

#votesRepublican

[dsheinem]

I'm sure your furiously typing the reason why now.

#because

[ninjainspandex]

Not the guns again!!!

You can't kill someone through voting (well, not directly anyway).

Don't Republicans also favor background checks for guns?

I'm cool with guns btw. Lived in rural "hunting country" my whole life. Also, not a Democrat.

I agree that we should have background checks on guns and have to show ID selling a gun just as I believe that we should show ID to vote.

And yes you can kill thousands by voting, Iraq war anyone?

[jp1]

I'm hearing "bus fare, transportation, time off-work, no money, etc" as reasons people can't get an ID. An absolute crock.

How nice to have the luxury to not think that these are legitimate concerns of actual people. What a worldview.

A simple thing made to seem like the most arduous task by bored intellectuals.

I'd rather be accused of being a bored intellectual than an ethnocentric ignoramus.

I If you need evidence why informed people should be the people casting ballots then you are too far gone.

How informed should they be? Should they have to pass a test first? Who would decide the minimum bar? That's a whole different discussion about whether there should be knowledge-based barriers to voting. Given how stats about education and party preference line up, Republicans likely would not favor these proposals.

For Dave - informed does not equate to: financial status, race, creed, gender, religion or any other criteria. Informed equates to informed.

Thanks for the extra snark, glad to see you too are capable of being dickish about something that presumably only bored intellectuals care about.


Look, debates about why or why not someone can get proper ID aside, the bottom line is that all these recent proposed voting ID laws are:

A) sponsored by Republicans and (to?) remove historically Democratic voters from the polling place
B) represent an attempt to fix a problem that isn't statistically significant at the expense of a population of people that would otherwise be allowed to legally vote
C) regularly found to be unjust and in violation of existing voting law by the courts in which they are tested

The voting ID stuff is an argument for suppression wrapped in paranoia, proposed by people who supposedly want less government involvement in and regulation of your life. That's a crock.

Ethnocentric? Really? It isn't as if anyone is talking about foreign policy here. We are all quite aware of what is involved with acquiring an id. It isn't much of a stretch that many of us also know a little bit about the poverty level and class system of the country in which we reside. I think the point which I haven't heard anyone give a compelling argument to is simply that it isn't that damned hard to get an id. It's a big deal made of a small topic. Perhaps we could hold a charity auction and donate to the several people who will become disenfranchised but still wish to vote in spite of this unbelievable hardship.

You are telling me that there is a large segment of the voting population that can't scrape up $50 or so (assuming extra fees) every 4-8 years? Give me a break.

Honestly, I don't care if they have the law in place or not. In fact I'm in favor of dropping it, simply due to the drama like this that it has caused. Is it constitutionally sound? I don't know, neither are a lot of things in life these days, and nearly all of them are a bigger concern than the minor inconvenience of getting an id at some point during your adult life.

I say all of this as a Democrat by the way. So, #fuckgeneralizations

[Ack]

I believe it is about time to say this thread has run its course.