World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[Aramonde]

Well here's the results right now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11106917/Scottish-independence-live-results-as-they-happen.html

But we still have the big cities of Glasgow and Edinburgh to hear from. Even if the no vote wins its far from over. You have a big problem if a big part of the country wants to leave.

[ZeroAX]

10% difference. This wasn't even close :S

[alienjesus]

I'm sure Adam is going to be very upset, but I'm personally glad to hear this result. Happy to still be British and not just English when I woke up this morning.

[Aramonde]

10% difference. This wasn't even close :S

Are you kidding? 10% is very close. The No campaign won by 383,973 votes, that's pretty close. What does that say when 45% of the country wants to leave.

[ZeroAX]

You may be glad to be British and I truly believe you are, and I respect that, but I am not as I face an uncertain future. My wife's legal claim collapsed like a fart in the wind as we depended on independence to be able to come home, now we are facing the prospect of being kicked out and locked out of the country for many years/decades to come, especially if the Conservatives get in parliament again in London and then drags us out of Europe.

that really sucks mate . Can't you find a job somewhere else in Europe?

And at least now with Scotland still in the country, that last sentence is less likely to come true. Though if the tories and ukip manage to destroy the country, I wonder if you'll have another referendum. Makes less sense to stay in the UK if it leaves the EU.

Are you kidding? 10% is very close. The No campaign won by 383,973 votes, that's pretty close. What does that say when 45% of the country wants to leave.

polls were predicting a 51-49 kind of situation, so this big of a difference is surprising.

[Aramonde]

This backs up Adam's claim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJif7vISQg

[Erik_Twice]

What does that say when 45% of the country wants to leave.

That people become more nationalistic and radical in times of crisis and have a poor understanding of what they vote on and how it will affect their lives and the world?

There has also been no vote-rigging, accept the referendum result and move on. A video with 300 views isn't proof of anything when there were hundreds of international watchers around.

[ZeroAX]

That people become more nationalistic and radical in times of crisis and have a poor understanding of what they vote on and how it will affect their lives and the world?

I wouldn't call any of this radical in any way.

If nothing else I admire the United Kingdom overall for being able to respect the rights of Scotland and offer this referendum in the first place. They could have been less complacent about it thought.

But I agree that I don't believe there was any vote rigging. This is the UK, not Russia.

[Erik_Twice]

People weren't voting yes for nationalism, not for a flag or an identity. People voted yes as they believed that Scotland's future would be best made in Scotland's hands

In other words, nationalism. We are talking about creating a country, it's nationalism, by definition.

And I'll opinate over this topic if I please.

[Erik_Twice]

What is nationalism and where does it end, and where does it begin?

Depends on which definition you agree on.

For me it begins with the idea that a people is "too different" get along with another kind of people and ends up with another 1600 years of Europeans murdering each other in the name of an imaginary line that will be restored twenty years later.

You might argue that's actually patriotism or that civic nationalism (As in, the idea of goverment by the people and so on) is still nationalism but I'm very opposed to the idea of settling, expanding or mantaining borders between human beings.