Gamer Gate

[Erik_Twice]

More importantly, even if you disagree with the choice to run the essay or the arguments therein, none of that is evidence that games journalism is somehow this horrible field full of corruption and conspiracy. Almost every newspaper, magazine, and news-related TV show features editorials with regularity.

I don't have a problem with editorials. My own crappy site has a section called "editorials*". I simply think that that article is pretty disgusting and not because it discusses sexual consent.


*I have editorial friends

[alienjesus]

dude you're grasping

How? If they want to be "journalists" and put out real hard hitting news about the real issues that affect my daily life they sure as hell shouldn't be giving someone a soap box on the same page as real news.

Surely an article about sexual descrimination etc should be more prominent than an article about a new video game then. Video games are not a 'hard hitting issue'. Gender dynamics are.

[flex wood]

dude you're grasping

How? If they want to be "journalists" and put out real hard hitting news about the real issues that affect my daily life they sure as hell shouldn't be giving someone a soap box on the same page as real news.

Surely an article about sexual descrimination etc should be more prominent than an article about a new video game then. Video games are not a 'hard hitting issue'. Gender dynamics are.

On a feminist blog sure. On a gaming website? It is purely pushing an agenda, especially when it is an opinion piece. Opinion=/=news

You know I don't feel like these articles should go away. I think, like in a newspaper, there should be a separate section for them where they won't get as much traffic and be taken as fact by people.

[dsheinem]

kotaku/gawker and most online news sources operates via a feed of stories of varying "significance" and purpose. there's no "front page" or "sections" analagous to newspapers. we can't compare linear and hpertextual design as equal contexts for distributing content

not sure why i have to spell this out.

[MrPopo]

I know Polygon makes a point of putting a large "Opinion" or "News" or "Review" on the image links to each article so you know what you're clicking into. The overall organization is mostly time-based, with the ability for certain articles to linger before falling below the main line (which is probably based on click activity).

[flex wood]

kotaku/gawker and most online news sources operates via a feed of stories of varying "significance" and purpose. there's no "front page" or "sections" analagous to newspapers. we can't compare linear and hpertextual design as equal contexts for distributing content

not sure why i have to spell this out.

And my point was they shouldn't run like that. If someone wants to push their own personal feelings as a journalist they shouldn't be doing it right in between real stories.

[Erik_Twice]

And my point was they shouldn't run like that. If someone wants to push their own personal feelings as a journalist they shouldn't be doing it right in between real stories.

Now I'm going to go email some more of their advertisers about some the content they are running. They've already lost a couple I believe. Hopefully that place goes right down the shitter soon.

I...I don't get it, sorry.

[dsheinem]

kotaku/gawker and most online news sources operates via a feed of stories of varying "significance" and purpose. there's no "front page" or "sections" analagous to newspapers. we can't compare linear and hpertextual design as equal contexts for distributing content

not sure why i have to spell this out.

And my point was they shouldn't run like that. If someone wants to push their own personal feelings as a journalist they shouldn't be doing it right in between real stories.

then your complaint is with a business and delivery model for much of online news, not with games journalism

[flex wood]

kotaku/gawker and most online news sources operates via a feed of stories of varying "significance" and purpose. there's no "front page" or "sections" analagous to newspapers. we can't compare linear and hpertextual design as equal contexts for distributing content

not sure why i have to spell this out.

And my point was they shouldn't run like that. If someone wants to push their own personal feelings as a journalist they shouldn't be doing it right in between real stories.

then your complaint is with a business and delivery model for much of online news, not with games journalism

Are you serious? They are a journalistic outlet how is that not about games journalism? How you display content is part of journalism. You don't seem to want to make any concessions in this.

Things that don't have to do with journalism according to Dsh:
Kotaku posting an article and then updating it at another time to say we fucked up while not bumping the original with the updates instead posting a separate article without links to the original article until well after the article ran.

Kotaku adding in disclosure about the writer living with the dev that they are writing about 2 years after the article has been posted.

Kotaku allowing writers to pay money to the people they are writing about and only making a policy about it after it is brought up by large amounts of people crying foul. That one is just like the NFL only taking action with Ray Rice after the public found out.

But no games journalism and the people that call themselves journalist don't have to follow a code of ethics like everyone else that calls themselves journalist though because it's just games.

[Flake]

But no games journalism and the people that call themselves journalist don't have to follow a code of ethics like everyone else that calls themselves journalist though because it's just games.

This is pretty much it. It's an industry where they give their product away for free and can only recoup costs and make payroll by doing advertising for the companies they purport to report on. Do you get it yet?