Kickstarter "Tropes vs Women in Videogames"

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I don't get your reasoning. She already raised the money via Kickstarter. I haven't seen a source saying she is asking for more money. You do know this was her profession before she started doing these video game specific videos, right?

That article conveniently left the tweet she posted later in the night after being threatened saying if you want to help support feminism donate to me. I'm lazy but if you don't believe me I'll go dig up the Twitter screens of it.

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They used those types of scenes Sload for characterization, not necessarily to support thise actions or viewpoints. Those kinds of behaviors are exhibited by people and they try to capture that in these characters that they try to paint moral ambiguity on.

I see this as a problem of interpretation. GTA is a satirical take on US culture that shows us our glaring flaws, particularly our problems with race, gender, sexuality, and our treatment of the lower class, but that seems to be forgotten quite often by the people who play it or discuss it.

Yes, there are issues in games, but GTA is an extension of the Americana stereotype taken to the extreme.

I think the problem is, in part, that we're a culture that doesn't generally appreciate or understand satire and thus many people DO take it at face value…especially THE KIDS.

Well, THE KIDS and Congress. One of these two groups doesn't understand this because they're a bunch of immature morons, and the other is a bunch of children.

What I appreciate about GTA is that it is a game series based on how the British see America. If we had a similar series for them, it would be a bunch of soccer hooligans with bad teeth and stiff upper lips drinking tea and avoiding sex.

[Erik_Twice]

Yea I'm going to go with I think she is sending these to herself to get publicity and money.

Even if that were true, which seems extremely farfetched, you can go to Twitter right now and see the constant barrage of abuse she gets. She doesn't need to make up abuse, she's being attacked right now.

I mean, seriously, it doesn't take a lot to realize women get a disproportionate amount of threats online compared to men. I have to moderate a Twitch channel with an average of five viewers on it because people keep asking to see the broadcaster's tits.

I see this as a problem of interpretation. GTA is a satirical take on US culture that shows us our glaring flaws, particularly our problems with race, gender, sexuality, and our treatment of the lower class, but that seems to be forgotten quite often by the people who play it or discuss it.

Yes, there are issues in games, but GTA is an extension of the Americana stereotype taken to the extreme.

Personally, I understand GTA is satirical but I still thought GTA V was very sexist despite the intentions of the creators and noted so in my review. Except for one woman who threatens to anally rape an innocent man with a flashlight every woman with any relevance to the plot was defined as either a "slut" or a "whore" and the way the game treats women's sexuality as something as deserving of scorn as the NRA, racist politicians or fast food certainly raises some eyebrows.

I truly think many people, including Sarkeesian, often fail to understand satire or metanarrative intent. But what has been said about GTA V being sexist is true, at least as far as I see it. Which we can always discuss, of course.

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That article conveniently left the tweet she posted later in the night after being threatened saying if you want to help support feminism donate to me. I'm lazy but if you don't believe me I'll go dig up the Twitter screens of it.

If we are using Twitter posts as evidence, I wonder how you feel about the screencap below (which I will spoiler because it is super offensive). Said tweet revealed Anita's address (which is blacked out) and threatened her with rape and death. All of these things are against the law, as would be faking said tweet and then calling in the cops.

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I see this as a problem of interpretation. GTA is a satirical take on US culture that shows us our glaring flaws, particularly our problems with race, gender, sexuality, and our treatment of the lower class, but that seems to be forgotten quite often by the people who play it or discuss it.

Yes, there are issues in games, but GTA is an extension of the Americana stereotype taken to the extreme.

Personally, I understand GTA is satirical but I still thought GTA V was very sexist despite the intentions of the creators and noted so in my review. Except for one woman who threatens to anally rape an innocent man with a flashlight every woman with any relevance to the plot was defined as either a "slut" or a "whore" and the way the game treats women's sexuality as something as deserving of scorn as the NRA, racist politicians or fast food certainly raises some eyebrows.

I truly think many people, including Sarkeesian, often fail to understand satire or metanarrative intent. But what has been said about GTA V being sexist is true, at least as far as I see it. Which we can always discuss, of course.

GTA V may be sexist specifically, I've only played a little of it. But in general you should feel disgusted by the actions of every character in the game and horrified by the fact these people are real(which is sadly true, there are people like Trevor, Michael, and Franklin). But as part of its satire, the series has always played on the overt sexualization of women that occurs in American culture versus our bizarre puritanical reaction to women's sexuality, along with our attitudes towards crime, government, and society as a whole. The truth is, yes, women in the GTA universe are represented as sluts and whores, which is how a lot of American media portrays women. And this goes both ways, the men in the series are all sex-crazed lunatics, egotistical murderers, or drug addicts, and any aberrant sexuality is generally shown as ridiculous or depraved.

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OK

Yea duck you buddy. Disagreeing with someone's views and calling them out on what looks like a scam to get money and stay in the public eye is totally ad hominem.

You are correct. It is an ad hominem attack.

You are welcome to "call her out" with your conspiracy theories and conspiracy logic, but you should at least recognize that you are not addressing her arguments. You should also recognize that your thoughts regarding Ms. Sarkeesian's motivations for making the videos, retreating from threats, and appealing for additional funding do not add anything of value to a discussion reagarding persistent misogyny in video game culture.

Also...and just so that we are on the same page...are you seriously suggesting that Ms. Sarkeesian is sending threatening message to herself?

No you are mistaken there is no argument that I need to address that she has made. I was specifically quoting that article for a reason. I don't care how she feels about how women are portrayed. It is inconsequential to me because her videos aren't fact they are simply a product off her opinion.

If your knowledge of these threats is only from that one article I'll lay out some facts for you. She posted a screen cap of these tweets threatening her 12 seconds after the last threat was tweeted while logged out, it takes about 12 seconds to log out of Twitter, then later in the night tweets saying if you want to help FEMINISM donate money to her. Yes that is shady and more than enough of a reason to call her into question.

She is a feminist donating money to her doesn't help feminism it helps her. Her videos are fully funded.

@sload I know it's a crime I'm pretty sure everyone knows it is that's why there has been mass reporting of the threats to the fbi. Also thanks that's the screen cap she posted. Notice the last tweet is 12 seconds ago? And logged out? Also the grammar, punctuation, and the use of the phrase fruit cake.

And no one has ever threatened themself to get publicity before either have they :/

[BoneSnapDeez]

Seems legit.

She makes these posts before she reports the threats to the police, she posts a screen cap of them immediately following that last one only 12 seconds after logging out, then later in the night tweets if you want to support feminism donate money to me...

Yea I'm going to go with I think she is sending these to herself to get publicity and money.

No I think she is starting to fall to the wayside. Look at the views from her videos they have been in a very steady decline since she started and 4chan was going after her. That is when she had the most views. Her last video before this one didn't break 300k views down from 2million when 4chan was after her.

It is a publicity stunt as far as I see it. 4chan doesn't care about her anymore. No one cares about her except the sjws that don't know the meaning of misogyny. You don't move in fear of your life then tweet asking people for money.

There is zero evidence that she fabricated this. She has faced online harassment since the inception of her series, so this unfortunate latest round shouldn't be viewed as surprising.

She never asked for money to "support feminism." What is mentioned is Feminist Frequency, the name of her website. People who make their money from a web series, blogging, etc. periodically remind viewers of the existence of a donation page. This is standard stuff.

Don't assume to know her audience. I subscribe to her vids and I am not a "social justice warrior", nor am I even a liberal of any stripe. I can imagine that folks from all walks of life could find these videos compelling.

If you have a problem with the content of her videos you should address her arguments directly.

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I subscribe to her vids and I am not a "social justice warrior", nor am I even a liberal of any stripe.

No, you're an old guy with a banjo who is shocked to see such a strange jet flying over his porch.

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So because the tweet is grammatically correct and uses the term "fruit cake" it must be Anita Sarkeesian trolling herself and phoning death threats to her own family members to get the FBI involved to force her move out of her house to get more publicity so she can ask for more money to make videos that she has already made and

[ZeroAX]

The internet is still full of psychopaths who hate women and use internet anonymity to let off their mental issues, and this woman still keeps making bad videos that completely miss the real problem (not enough women WORKING in the gaming industry).