How do people live without medical insurance?

[dsheinem]

Smart-ass. I remember when you used to join these conversations in a deeper capacity. Have you grown jaded Dsh?

I've been up and down this debate on the forums, so don't see much reason to jump in and reiterate the same stuff at this point. It isn't that I am jaded, it is that this particular version isn't especially interesting.

[jp1]

Smart-ass. I remember when you used to join these conversations in a deeper capacity. Have you grown jaded Dsh?

I've been up and down this debate on the forums, so don't see much reason to jump in and reiterate the same stuff at this point. It isn't that I am jaded, it is that this particular version isn't especially interesting.

Elitist!

Reference from another thread...and a joke.

[MrPopo]

Smart-ass. I remember when you used to join these conversations in a deeper capacity. Have you grown jaded Dsh?

I've been up and down this debate on the forums, so don't see much reason to jump in and reiterate the same stuff at this point. It isn't that I am jaded, it is that this particular version isn't especially interesting.

Which is not to say that you aren't jaded; this is just not a symptom of it.

[Jmustang1968]

If they dislike 2D platformers, however, they can GTFO...

I think at this point it is probably worth mentioning that Jmustang1968 dislikes platformers in any and all dimensions. I take this as unimpeachable evidence of his bigoted, hateful, and closed-minded world view.

Ha I like Shovel Knight!

I also never took a stance in this, I just said it was such an exaggeration to say it was terrible, and questioned the validity of the rankings when used in a way to promote it.

[pepharytheworm]

Analytic is no insult; I think a lot of problems would be less severe if people were more analytic in how they approach things.

I would say I have an almost analytical or logic based view on the macro level and policies. I feel too often that misaligned good intentions can do the most harm as they have conviction behind them. I also feel that when too much personal sympathies and ideals are forced because someone feels they should be a certain way, that overall people suffer as these are often implemented out of touch with reality. Instead of bringing up a group, one just brings down the whole, or another group is marginalized and suffers in its wake. I am not talking about healthcare or anything else specifically right now, just in general.

However, on the micro level, I am much more empathetic.

I've heard some (admittedly cynical) thoughts that a corrupt politician is better than an idealist one; the corrupt politician is predictable and will go where the money is, while the idealist has an agenda and will see it done, damn the consequences. And the idealist can much more easily justify some pretty terrible things if those things serve his ideal.

I just don't get how you find someone thinking money shouldn't determine priority as being an idealist, just because you can't think of someting practical that could be used to determine and more fair. I find just being pragmatic or idealistic too limiting. You need a balance of both. Reach for a better world while being practical in the methods rooted in todays world.

[MrPopo]

Analytic is no insult; I think a lot of problems would be less severe if people were more analytic in how they approach things.

I would say I have an almost analytical or logic based view on the macro level and policies. I feel too often that misaligned good intentions can do the most harm as they have conviction behind them. I also feel that when too much personal sympathies and ideals are forced because someone feels they should be a certain way, that overall people suffer as these are often implemented out of touch with reality. Instead of bringing up a group, one just brings down the whole, or another group is marginalized and suffers in its wake. I am not talking about healthcare or anything else specifically right now, just in general.

However, on the micro level, I am much more empathetic.

I've heard some (admittedly cynical) thoughts that a corrupt politician is better than an idealist one; the corrupt politician is predictable and will go where the money is, while the idealist has an agenda and will see it done, damn the consequences. And the idealist can much more easily justify some pretty terrible things if those things serve his ideal.

I just don't get how you find someone thinking money shouldn't determine priority as being an idealist, just because you can't think of someting practical that could be used to determine and more fair. I find just being pragmatic or idealistic too limiting. You need a balance of both. Reach for a better world while being practical in the methods rooted in todays world.

The problem is that money WILL determine priority no matter the system you use. The difference would be that right now money = priority is built in whereas in some other system it would be a side way in to changing priority. So saying "money shouldn't determine priority" is akin to saying "the sun shouldn't cause skin cancer". That's why I see it as idealist.

[jp1]

I can't add any more. It isn't that I've grown jaded, it's just....

I'm tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having had too much of this conversation.


Wait...

#Jab-at-Dave #Ihatehashtags



No need to get the gloves out Dsh, I'm just fckn with ya.

[dsheinem]

I can't add any more. It isn't that I've grown jaded, it's just....

I'm tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having had too much of this conversation.


Wait...

#Jab-at-Dave #Ihatehashtags



No need to get the gloves out Dsh, I'm just fckn with ya.

no worries, the gloves are safely away. I wouldn't want anyone to get hurt by my snark and then be subjected to our healthcare system afterwards.

[jp1]

I can't add any more. It isn't that I've grown jaded, it's just....

I'm tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having had too much of this conversation.


Wait...

#Jab-at-Dave #Ihatehashtags



No need to get the gloves out Dsh, I'm just fckn with ya.

no worries, the gloves are safely away. I wouldn't want anyone to get hurt by my snark and then be subjected to our healthcare system afterwards.

Personally, I find your snark charming. I keep picking at you because I want you to come out and play.

[jfrost]

I do pay for insurance, but sometimes I wish I didn't. Insurance companies treat patients like garbage, make me wait weeks and sometimes months to get an appointment and have shitty coverage.

I sometimes flirt with the idea of going back to paying for what medical services I need. A few years back I used to do that and it worked fine. And I got better care because I paid the physicians right away instead of giving my money to a middleman who would then pay peanuts to doctors.

But, well, I always have that what if thinking that I might need a super expensive incredible treatment... so I put up with this shitty service.

Well, I know my opinion doesn't count for much around here since I live in a poor country and my circumstances are unlike most of yours, but it's just my 2 cents.