How do people live without medical insurance?

[8bit]

That looks less like a horse and more like some weird hybrid animal crossing a horse with a llama with a kangaroo. Beating a dead horllamaroo.

[Ack]

I think that is a horse that needs more beating. When Americans stop acting as if free health care is communism and it's good to pay more than most other countries for medical services, maybe then....

If they can do it in such a way that doesn't lead to millions of Americans with slightly more income who have private health insurance then losing their insurance, resulting in limited services and potentially death, then yes, we'll consider it.

[pepharytheworm]

I think that is a horse that needs more beating. When Americans stop acting as if free health care is communism and it's good to pay more than most other countries for medical services, maybe then....

If they can do it in such a way that doesn't lead to millions of Americans with slightly more income who have private health insurance then losing their insurance, resulting in limited services and potentially death, then yes, we'll consider it.

So you mean like lower income have been dealing with this whole time? Why would there be limited services? We have terrible health services as it is compared to other similiar countries. Does Finland have terrible or lower services where millions die? Their free health care is better than our paid healthcare. Other countries charge much less for the same care. We are like what 40th in the world with Canada, Australia and Finland (all with Universal health coverage) above us. France is usually number one. We have lots of countries to emulate and do well by there examples and their previous struggles.

[Ack]

I think that is a horse that needs more beating. When Americans stop acting as if free health care is communism and it's good to pay more than most other countries for medical services, maybe then....

If they can do it in such a way that doesn't lead to millions of Americans with slightly more income who have private health insurance then losing their insurance, resulting in limited services and potentially death, then yes, we'll consider it.

So you mean like lower income have been dealing with this whole time? Why would there be limited services? We have terrible health services as it is compared to other similiar countries. Does Finland have terrible or lower services where millions die? Their free health care is better than our paid healthcare. Other countries charge much less for the same care. We are like what 40th in the world with Canada, Australia and Finland (all with Universal health coverage) above us. France is usually number one. We have lots of countries to emulate and do well by there examples and their previous struggles.

So you think making millions of Americans lose their insurance is better? Because that's what I'm hearing.

[ninjainspandex]

America needs to shit or get off the pot, by this I mean we either need to have a universal healthcare and everyone gets healthcare or we need doctors to be able to refuse treatment to those without insurance and let survival of the fittest take place. Because right now those without insurance still get treatment but those with insurance pay for it with their premiums.

[Jmustang1968]

These rankings are somewhat loaded and subjective. One being that having universal gov paid healthcare is one of the rankings considered. So it is somewhat circular logic to use that. The other that skews it is mortality rates which the US uses a different method to calculate infant mortalities. The actual quality of the healthcare, which is one component, ranks the US in line with others.

[jp1]

America needs to shit or get off the pot, by this I mean we either need to have a universal healthcare and everyone gets healthcare or we need doctors to be able to refuse treatment to those without insurance and let survival of the fittest take place. Because right now those without insurance still get treatment but those with insurance pay for it with their premiums.

Seriously? Take some time and reflect on that. Do you really want to live in the land of "survival of the fittest"? Or only when it comes to other people suffering and not yourself? You can pay your bills...awesome. Can you protect yourself from a gang of "the fittest" who decide all the shit you buy should be theirs? Barbaric mentality should extend beyond your own safe little bubble if you want to use it as an excuse for some sort of passive aggressive genocide.

[pepharytheworm]

If they can do it in such a way that doesn't lead to millions of Americans with slightly more income who have private health insurance then losing their insurance, resulting in limited services and potentially death, then yes, we'll consider it.

So you mean like lower income have been dealing with this whole time? Why would there be limited services? We have terrible health services as it is compared to other similiar countries. Does Finland have terrible or lower services where millions die? Their free health care is better than our paid healthcare. Other countries charge much less for the same care. We are like what 40th in the world with Canada, Australia and Finland (all with Universal health coverage) above us. France is usually number one. We have lots of countries to emulate and do well by there examples and their previous struggles.

So you think making millions of Americans lose their insurance is better? Because that's what I'm hearing.

No one will be made to get rid of it. They just won't need health insurance. Why would you need health insurance in a country with free healthcare? They can keep their life, auto, home and all the various other insurances Insurance limits services more than free healthcare.

[pepharytheworm]

These rankings are somewhat loaded and subjective. One being that having universal gov paid healthcare is one of the rankings considered. So it is somewhat circular logic to use that. The other that skews it is mortality rates which the US uses a different method to calculate infant mortalities. The actual quality of the healthcare, which is one component, ranks the US in line with others.

Even if thats true, you like paying more for equal services? "My healthcare quality is as good as yours but I have to have insurance to get treated and the cost of services are higher"

[Jmustang1968]

These rankings are somewhat loaded and subjective. One being that having universal gov paid healthcare is one of the rankings considered. So it is somewhat circular logic to use that. The other that skews it is mortality rates which the US uses a different method to calculate infant mortalities. The actual quality of the healthcare, which is one component, ranks the US in line with others.

Even if thats true, you like paying more for equal services? "My healthcare quality is as good as yours but I have to have insurance to get treated and the cost of services are higher"

Universal healthcare wont necessarily make those costs cheaper though. The US spends a huge amount on R&D. We also need some sort of tort reform for malpractice suits. The immigration the US gets from under developed countries also puts a strain on the system.