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Frag Mortuus wrote:I disagree with both statements. I have a small overclock on my CPU and see about a 10FPS rise in games. Also, load times are shorter and boot time in general is faster. That is just going from 2.66 to 3.2Ghz. So an OC up to 4.0Ghz which is an ~50% OC would bring a significant performance increase. Now, you may reach a point where the OC is higher than needed in regards to the rest of your PC, meaning that the rest of your PC is acting as a bottleneck for your CPU. But, if your RAM and GPU, MoBo chipset, etc can all keep up with your OC'd CPU then you won't reach that limit and should notice some sort of performance increase.
If you're overclocking that much, then you're having to do a lot of work cooling things off too. Unless you bought the absolute fastest processor that was just released to marked yesterday and want to overclock that, why not just buy a processor that's a step up from where you were going to spend in the first place?

So (numbers out of my butt) you could buy the 3 Ghz processor for $500, the water cooling block, radiator, hoses, and a case that will fit a radiator and spend another $500 for $1000 total. Or you could buy that badass new 3.5 Ghz processor that just came out for maybe $1000 for the same performance. Likewise with graphics cards. Buy mid to high range and spend more money cranking and cooling or just spend more in the first place for the ultra level card. Both will contribute to you getting 75+ FPS in some game that just came out with everything maxed but it isn't going to make that much visual difference than 65+ FPS would.

The 10 increase you say you're getting, what is that over? If it is 20 moving up to 30 FPS that's a big visual difference. If you're trying to stretch a little longer on an aging machine, then sure. But if you're buying new stuff, I say spend the money on the next level up hardware instead a bunch of super upgraded cooling, otherwise you're tweaking so you can show off your benchmark scores and your glowing neon water cooling tubes. :wink:
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Hobie-wan wrote:
Frag Mortuus wrote:I disagree with both statements. I have a small overclock on my CPU and see about a 10FPS rise in games. Also, load times are shorter and boot time in general is faster. That is just going from 2.66 to 3.2Ghz. So an OC up to 4.0Ghz which is an ~50% OC would bring a significant performance increase. Now, you may reach a point where the OC is higher than needed in regards to the rest of your PC, meaning that the rest of your PC is acting as a bottleneck for your CPU. But, if your RAM and GPU, MoBo chipset, etc can all keep up with your OC'd CPU then you won't reach that limit and should notice some sort of performance increase.
If you're overclocking that much, then you're having to do a lot of work cooling things off too. Unless you bought the absolute fastest processor that was just released to marked yesterday and want to overclock that, why not just buy a processor that's a step up from where you were going to spend in the first place?

So (numbers out of my butt) you could buy the 3 Ghz processor for $500, the water cooling block, radiator, hoses, and a case that will fit a radiator and spend another $500 for $1000 total. Or you could buy that badass new 3.5 Ghz processor that just came out for maybe $1000 for the same performance. Likewise with graphics cards. Buy mid to high range and spend more money cranking and cooling or just spend more in the first place for the ultra level card. Both will contribute to you getting 75+ FPS in some game that just came out with everything maxed but it isn't going to make that much visual difference than 65+ FPS would.

The 10 increase you say you're getting, what is that over? If it is 20 moving up to 30 FPS that's a big visual difference. If you're trying to stretch a little longer on an aging machine, then sure. But if you're buying new stuff, I say spend the money on the next level up hardware instead a bunch of super upgraded cooling, otherwise you're tweaking so you can show off your benchmark scores and your glowing neon water cooling tubes. :wink:
I know for a fact that you can overclock the i7-920 from 2.66 to 4.0Ghz stable using only a high end air cooler. As newer CPUs start shrinking the die smaller and smaller and start requiring less and less power the heat produced by such high overclocks start to diminish. Intel themselves claim that the new 4790K that Dave bought can be overclocked to 5.0Ghz using air cooling (even though some articles are disclaiming Intel, saying that averages are showing around 4.8Ghz). Water cooling is becoming less of a viable option for cooling these days, as the price to performance ratio just doesnt make sense. Especially with the widespread adoption of closed loop water coolers. I have the Corsair H80i, which I bought for $75 on sale. I get close to true water cooling temps but I don't have to worry about the maintenance or installation of such a complex system. Plus, I paid a fraction of the cost.

I do agree that overclocking on a brand new $500 CPU is silly. I have been using it as a way to add a little longevity to my aging system. It has allowed newer games and more complex applications to run a little smoother than would otherwise be able to. With the $78, X5650 I just bought it's base clock is 2.66Ghz, but I have seen tons of threads where people are getting theirs to 4.0Ghz on air and over 5.0Ghz on a true water system. If I get mine to 4.0Ghz then I will be getting at least equal performance as the soon to release $579, 5930K that I was wanting to upgrade to. So, in my case OC'ing is going to help me achieve the level of performance I can't afford otherwise.

I also want to point out that OC'ing may shorten the lifespan of the CPU. Which is why I wouldn't do it on a brand new one that you plan to use for years to come. I think it should only be considered when you are starting to hit performance walls with games or whatever. Which is what I did. I didn't OC at all until I had my system for about 4 years. I started getting to a point where I wasn't happy with my frame rates on games and I knew my GPUs should be able to handle it. So, I used the dummy overclock feature on my MoBo and it gained me enough of a performance boost that my games started playing smoothly again at the settings I wanted.
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get the GPU sorted yet Dave? Got the drivers installed and all I assume?
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noiseredux wrote:get the GPU sorted yet Dave? Got the drivers installed and all I assume?

yup, yup. I am basking in the glow of Racketboy at 1080p in 27" while transferring files around and installing progs. Hope to fire up some things in the next hour or so.

Everything is really fast. :lol:
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dsheinem wrote:
noiseredux wrote:get the GPU sorted yet Dave? Got the drivers installed and all I assume?

yup, yup. I am basking in the glow of Racketboy at 1080p in 27" while transferring files around and installing progs. Hope to fire up some things in the next hour or so.

Everything is really fast. :lol:
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good to hear, man. Stress test that shit with some classic Zork!
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Skip Zork. Wishbringer is a much better Infocom experience ; )
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dsheinem wrote:
noiseredux wrote:get the GPU sorted yet Dave? Got the drivers installed and all I assume?

yup, yup. I am basking in the glow of Racketboy at 1080p in 27" while transferring files around and installing progs. Hope to fire up some things in the next hour or so.

Everything is really fast. :lol:
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OK here's the build I'm looking at lately for my soon-to-be-built PC:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($52.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill Galaxy-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit) ($94.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ GW2255 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($107.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $818.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Any comments, advice, suggestions, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Edit: Is this PSU going to be sufficient if I want to upgrade the GPU to a 760/R9 280 or similar in the next year or so?
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marlowe221 wrote:
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit) ($94.98 @ OutletPC)
Have you tried Win 8 at all? I'll try to refrain from repeating my previously started displeasure, but if you haven't... experienced it I'd go try it somewhere a little before you order at least to make sure you aren't allergic to it.
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