Do you replace all your "go green" cases?

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Re: Do you replace all your "go green" cases?

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Fragems wrote: Further explanation.

Shipping: When shipping there are two things that I worry about which were still a problem even when I added cushioning to keep the stuff on the spindle.
1. The discs could still spin on the spindle sometimes resulting in a few light scratches.
A disc on the spindle is only touching the very center and maybe the very edge depending on the particular case design. Unless there are rocks rattling around in the case or someone stands on it, there will be no scratching of the data area of the disc. That's the whole point of disc cases holding discs by the center.
2. Spindle damage during shipping it always scared me that a careless USPS worker might squash my package possibly causing stress cracks to the disc. There was also the fact that a few cases such as some of the older Xbox ones had really tight spindles which could really jack a disc up when getting it on and off if you weren't careful. So i didn't want the people I was selling/trading with to jack the disc up by accident the first time they got it out of the case :P.
If someone squashes it in transit, it's in danger no matter what. If you have a disc in a paper sleeve tucked into a clip, that clip will be pressing into the data area of the disc. Likewise the spindle will be pressing elsewhere against the data area. That means there is already pressure and contact before the package gets any squashing. If you're that worried about people trying to jerk the disc off a tight spindle when they get the disc, take some light swipes at the teeth of the spindle, one or two at a time and check if that lightens up the grip on the disc without making it loose.
I really stole this idea from game stop after I had a two returns for games damaged during shipping. They always shipped their games in a sleeve inside the case and it just seemed to make sense after I started experiencing these problems.
I imagine that's more so it's ready to shove the game in the drawer when it gets to the store. Brand new games (and CD, DVD, and BRs) are shipped from the factories, get this, on the spindle of the case! :P
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Re: Do you replace all your "go green" cases?

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Continued my arguement a bit but we are kind of getting off topic so I will spoiler it :lol:
Hobie-wan wrote: A disc on the spindle is only touching the very center and maybe the very edge depending on the particular case design. Unless there are rocks rattling around in the case or someone stands on it, there will be no scratching of the data area of the disc. That's the whole point of disc cases holding discs by the center.
Think the ones I had the most trouble with were eco cases where the supports on the eco friendly hole actually rubbed the bottom of the disc if any pressure was exerted on them :P. Did have one wii game that only got scrapes along the very outer edge where it had spun on the spindle during transit and that was enough to prevent it from reading midway into starting a new game :P.
Hobie-wan wrote: If someone squashes it in transit, it's in danger no matter what. If you have a disc in a paper sleeve tucked into a clip, that clip will be pressing into the data area of the disc. Likewise the spindle will be pressing elsewhere against the data area. That means there is already pressure and contact before the package gets any squashing. If you're that worried about people trying to jerk the disc off a tight spindle when they get the disc, take some light swipes at the teeth of the spindle, one or two at a time and check if that lightens up the grip on the disc without making it loose.
The clips actually only grasp the edge of the sleeve so that is not really an issue. The spindle does touch the disc when you store it this way but it is still pretty much on center with the disc so it doesn't really harm anything unless there is a lot of pressure on the case.

As for the squashing statement earlier I should have worded that better. I meant to say handling the packages rough tossing them around, dropping them, or stacking stuff on top of them. Even if you sandwich a piece of bubblewrap between the manual and disc it is still possible for the disc to move a little and the sudden impact can cause stress cracks to form around the spindle if it's to tight. When it is stored in the sleeve the disc is padded with paper/plastic and has the manual to behind it to absorb the impact.

Main game cases that scare the shit out of me for doing this are the Xbox cases that have the uber tight spindles specifically the ones used for Scarface and a handful of other games. Pretty much every used copy of that which I have bumped into has stress cracks. Worst holder design ever lol. The gamecube cases have the same holder design to which kills me :P.
Hobie-wan wrote: I imagine that's more so it's ready to shove the game in the drawer when it gets to the store. Brand new games (and CD, DVD, and BRs) are shipped from the factories, get this, on the spindle of the case! :P
Your probably right about gamestop it's probably more out of laziness then actual thought :lol: . As for the new discs being shipped that way I have on more then one occasion received new sealed dvds that were damaged it's not common for it to happen but it does. Personally I like to minimize movement when shipping stuff so I use the sleeves which holds the game snug. The only way to keep a disc from moving around completely while on the spindle would be to wedge something under it which would do more harm then good.

On another note the spindles on some cases press against the case artwork when you release the disc and I have never cared much for the circular wear marks that they leave from repeated use.

Thinking about it Paper sleeves and their usefulness could warrant it's own topic and maybe some experimentation/study. I have plenty of dead/defective discs we could do some drop tests and etc. on.
Anyways back to the topic of Eco cases I can't stand them puncture wounds can be quite sever without the plastic supporting the artwork and pressure against the case can leave annoying indentations as well.

As of now I don't actively seek out replacement cases but I would love for these cases to stop being manufactured or for the companies to figure out a better design.
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Re: Do you replace all your "go green" cases?

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Exhuminator wrote:I guess you're talking about the cases with the recycling symbol holes cut into them, presumably to use less plastic. That used to bother me, and I was replacing them, but then one day I realized I was being silly and stopped. Sure the cases feel more flimsy, but when they are up on the shelf being squeezed between all the other cases, their structural integrity is hardly in danger.
I laughed.

Not a fan either, or the lack of manuals, but yeah I probably wouldn't waste time "fixing" it.
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Re: Do you replace all your "go green" cases?

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No reason to spoiler since all information related to storing the discs.

I agree with Hobie, the envelopes might scratch the discs from repeated removal. The disc holder grabs just the center which helps keep the label and data side from touching anything. Yes the case can flex and touch but not as bad as repeated sliding against an envelope. Sometime the center holder is very tight with the risk of cracking a disc; especially when removed or inserted and not extra careful. I cringe when I see a Gamestop employee snap a disc in a case without pressing the center button.

I mentioned a while back that my disc games won't be stored in a paint can shaker so no reason for the jaws to be so damn tight. The manufacturer has certain designs (crappy as they are) real tight to keep the disc in check while shipping from warehouse to retail.

This is why I always take that jewelers file to certain game, movie cases and especially the Ecco cases. Gamecube cases are real bad, sometimes get the pliers slight squeeze and chew treatment. After smoothing the holder jaws a bit; just a light click to hold the disc on the Gamecube case for example since it only goes from the shelf to the console and back. :idea:
Xeogred wrote:
Exhuminator wrote:I guess you're talking about the cases with the recycling symbol holes cut into them, presumably to use less plastic. That used to bother me, and I was replacing them, but then one day I realized I was being silly and stopped. Sure the cases feel more flimsy, but when they are up on the shelf being squeezed between all the other cases, their structural integrity is hardly in danger.
I laughed.

Not a fan either, or the lack of manuals, but yeah I probably wouldn't waste time "fixing" it.
CRTGAMER wrote:Even pressing the center of the disc holder, the ecco case back flexes as you try to remove a disc, the holder jaws still grab tight risking cracking the inner ring of the disc.
The workaround would be to lay the case flat on the table everytime you remove and replace a game disc. But then as Fragems mentioned, a crease in the back art cover from the ecco ribs flexing. :?

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