Random Thoughts Thread

[flex wood]

Hobby Lobby has no objections to covering vasectomies, just in case someone tries to tell you that this is about some principled religious stance against contraception.

So elective surgery is ok to prevent babies but pills aren't?

[AppleQueso]

Hobby Lobby has no objections to covering vasectomies, just in case someone tries to tell you that this is about some principled religious stance against contraception.

So elective surgery is ok to prevent babies but pills aren't?

apparently

[mjmjr25]

I don't know how it would have anything to do with Hobby Lobby. It would have to do with the insurer. My employer has multiple insurers. Some cover, some don't, some cover partial.

[Jmustang1968]

America. The land where half the nation is fighting for your good from sperm to birth, from which point on you might as well die for all they care.

Although Zero's post is hyperbole (and I find it hilarious), it certainly rings a bit true, at least in the sense that so many businesses (MMORPGs; tobacco; alcohol; fast food, just to name some really obvious ones) are built around "hooking" you, sucking out your cash, and not really caring about you as a person. In a capitalist framework, the ultimate goal is money. The people making absolutely stupid amounts of it tend to be in some... morally-interesting areas.

Mix the above with the prison-industrial complex, the military-industrial complex, big pharma, privatized healthcare, and massive credit/student loan debt, and you've got a country that really doesn't seem to give too much of a shit about its people.

TL;DR I can see where Zero's coming from, and I think his statement was clever. Never heard it before.

The TLDR is more like wah wah evil capitalism.

[catnip]

America. The land where half the nation is fighting for your good from sperm to birth, from which point on you might as well die for all they care.

Although Zero's post is hyperbole (and I find it hilarious), it certainly rings a bit true, at least in the sense that so many businesses (MMORPGs; tobacco; alcohol; fast food, just to name some really obvious ones) are built around "hooking" you, sucking out your cash, and not really caring about you as a person. In a capitalist framework, the ultimate goal is money. The people making absolutely stupid amounts of it tend to be in some... morally-interesting areas.

Mix the above with the prison-industrial complex, the military-industrial complex, big pharma, privatized healthcare, and massive credit/student loan debt, and you've got a country that really doesn't seem to give too much of a shit about its people.

TL;DR I can see where Zero's coming from, and I think his statement was clever. Never heard it before.

The TLDR is more like wah wah evil capitalism.

Good looks, mustang. Edited. Thanks!

[AppleQueso]

go communism

[mjmjr25]

Also birth control is against what a bearded dude in the sky told my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandpappy at some point

...a lot of you are really offensive sometimes and it goes unchecked. It's sad.

You do realize that a great many on this forum still believe and live our lives based on this fairy tale, right? We're so stupid and we need a crutch, so we've hitched our coat tails to this feel good story about redemption

But, it isn't just me and other forum members you are offending, it's the 73% of Americans who identify themselves as Christian / Catholic (2012 Pew Poll).

[dsheinem]

Hobby Lobby has no objections to covering vasectomies, just in case someone tries to tell you that this is about some principled religious stance against contraception.

So elective surgery is ok to prevent babies but pills aren't?

apparently

The key sticking point is that the contraception in question includes Plan B (the morning after pill) and a few other pills that the are seen by some as abortion-causing. Science says they are wrong: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/healt ... .html?_r=0 but it doesn't really matter, I guess?

I don't know how it would have anything to do with Hobby Lobby. It would have to do with the insurer. My employer has multiple insurers. Some cover, some don't, some cover partial.

Obamacare requires companies to have insurers that fully cover 20 FDA-approved forms of birth control. Because the folks at Hobby Lobby think science is wrong, they wanted a "religious exemption" for four of these specific drugs. That's what the case focused on.

[AppleQueso]

Let's face it, the entire 'religious' angle was just a front for Hobby Lobby to go "boo hoo Obamacare" and get it taken to the supreme court.

[Jmustang1968]

Let's face it, the entire 'religious' angle was just a front for Hobby Lobby to go "boo hoo Obamacare" and get it taken to the supreme court.

I think it was a mix of both.