World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[MrPopo]

There are plenty of racists and misogynists out there who aren't going on killing sprees. Something was going to set him off some day. Maybe someone cuts him off on the way to work and he starts driving on the sidewalk and running down bicyclists.

[pepharytheworm]

There are plenty of racists and misogynists out there who aren't going on killing sprees. Something was going to set him off some day. Maybe someone cuts him off on the way to work and he starts driving on the sidewalk and running down bicyclists.

He wrote a 141 page manifesto. This was pre-meditated.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/elliot-r ... errifying/
This is not some random thing that set him off. He stabbed his roomates then went out shooting people starting at a sorority house. Check his youtube videos too. He wasn't destined to kill people due to some mental illness. You can't just say everything you don't understand is just mental illness.
Slavery in the US and treatment of the Native Americans wasn't just mental illness. He didn't see women as people, the same as white americans didn't see Black and Native Americans as people. He had people who backed up his thoughts and still do now calling him a hero and saying he was justified. People aren't referring to those people as mentally ill.

[Luke]

This #Yesallwomen is batshit crazy.

I replied to one comment...ONE, and all I said was "That sucks". Now I am apparently "diminishing the problem" an as a man "want to defend all men" and am "inconsiderate".

Not touching this bullshit again. Might as well slap a bog ol' "Boys Not Allowed" on this shit. #WhineyAssEntitledPeopleWhoDon'tUnderstandLifeSometimeSucks

I don't know what comment you responded to but "that sucks" comes off as something not serious. I mean if I told a person in a wheel chair "that sucks" when they complain about there not being ramps at a place, I come off like its a minor problem like he got a paper cut or something. When your cousin said her comment do you think "that sucks" is a good response. Can't fault the the oppressed for hating the oppressors. It may not solve anything but it's understandable.

My exact words were:

That sucks full Hoover.

Stinks that the world is still full of jerks. Good on you for being you.


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[AppleQueso]

There is no need for a male rights movement as feminism covers all sexes for equal rights.

Feminism might cover, in theory, the needs of men. But in practise it's a movement by women for women with a long history of throwing male rape victims under the bus and that already struggles to cover the issues of women that aren't white, heterosexual and cisgendered.

Around here feminists were responsible for a law that rules that domestic abuse only applies to women and another that applies a lesser sentence for a rapist that rapes men to one that rapes women. It's not the only case and telling men that their worries are covered by some of the people keeping them away from help is kind of nasty.

Feminism is also failing to adress forced military service only for men in the countries that have them nor, has failed to adress male gender roles and is ignoring the increasingly worrysome problem of male education. There are too many things feminism in its current form is not adressing so as to claim that male movements are not needed because someone has it covered.

I would greatly prefer a joint effort towards equality that is not bound by the same divisions that these groups seek to destroy but at this point the needs of men won't be met without the creation of interest groups by men.

This painting of feminism as a singluar, monolithic entity that's not rife with tons of conflicting camps is ridiculous. Do you think the liberal feminists and radical feminists get along? Sex positivity vs sex negativity? The transphobic radfems vs or the trans feminists? The ones who support sex workers vs the ones who don't? The ones who support intersectionality and the ones who believe that sexism is somehow the true root of all discrimination and that race and class are irrelevant?

There's a lot of camps that are directly trying to address the sorts of concerns you bring up.

Specific movements to address things like military conscription, support groups for male rape victims, etc, already exist. There is no need for a larger "men's rights" movement.

Saying that group that is already advantaged in society needs a large movement to make it more advantaged in the few areas that it isn't already hugely advantaged in is the opposite of 'egaltarianism.'

[Erik_Twice]

This painting of feminism as a singluar, monolithic entity that's not rife with tons of conflicting camps is ridiculous.

I agree, good thing I never claimed otherwise.

Saying that group that is already advantaged in society needs a large movement to make it more advantaged in the few areas that it isn't already hugely advantaged in is the opposite of 'egaltarianism.'

No, it needs a movement because fucking 38% of rape victims are male and little is done about it. And it needs a movement because people should be able to fight for their their interests on their own without people telling them to shut up because their needs are supposedly met elsewhere.

You are like those feminists that argue that theres no need for a black off-shot of feminism. Yeah, right.

[pepharytheworm]

@General_Norris
Who do you think is raping that 38% of males? Mostly other men. When have you been afraid to be alone for fear of being raped? Since we are throwing out statistics, 1 out of 3 women are victims of rape, 1 out of 10 men are rapist. That number should be frightening.

Did you even read AppleQueso's post? What did she say to you that made you think she sounds like a feminist who thinks there shouldn't be a black off-shoot? She is mentioning there are many off shoots that support various causes and views.

I am a feminist and any man who says they are not are either sexist or ignorant of the definition. Do you believe women deserve equal rights? If you do, then guess what, you are a feminist too.

[ZeroAX]

Did you even read AppleQueso's post? What did she say to you that made you think she sounds like a feminist who thinks there shouldn't be a black off-shoot? She is mentioning there are many off shoots that support various causes and views.

Isn't AppleQueso a guy?

[Erik_Twice]

Who do you think is raping that 38% of males? Mostly other men.

Actually 46% of male victims reported a female perpetrator and female-on-male rape is underreported compared to male rape in general which is already greatly underreported.

When have you been afraid to be alone for fear of being raped?

It's extremely shitty of you to make this question given how many people are raped.

Since we are throwing out statisics, 1 out of 3 women are victims of rape, 1 out of 10 men are rapist. That number should be frightening.

Those numbers are not real, you are misinformed. While rape statistics are high, they are nowhere in the realm of what you are suggesting.

Did you even read AppleQueso's post?

Yes. I'm also pretty sure AppleQueso is also a dude.

I am a feminist and any man who says they are not are either sexist or ignorant of the definition. Do you believe women deserve equal rights? If you do, then guess what, you are a feminist too.

You are begging the question, a question that is in no way, shape or form related to my post about why men should be able to form an interest group themselves to tackle issues like their own rape without being forced into a certain movement.

[AppleQueso]

Did you even read AppleQueso's post?

Yes. I'm also pretty sure AppleQueso is also a dude.

You are misinformed

[ZeroAX]

I think the biggest problem with rape is it not being reported. It's called "the unpunished crime" in Greek, cause it's by far the least likely to get reported. So what's needed is
to make it easier for rape victims to come out and talk about it.

But pepharytheworm you are greatly mistaken if you think men don't need a movement to protect them from rape.

If the rapist is male or female honestly sounds irrelevant to me....heck imagine making a distinction when it comes to murder based on the skin color of the murderer. (what would that make you sound like?)

Rape is about emotional pressure most of the time, not physical strength. Why do you think most rapes take place in 3rd world countries where the virginity of the woman is considered something sacred? Because the rapists know the victim is much less likely to talk about it for fear of persecution.

Well male rape victims come under similar emotional pressure in many countries (though of course they won't be stoned for being raped like some countries, I'm not going that far in my comparison). Heck I remember a few years ago a Chinese woman raped a Chinese guy in public and all the comments online where people laughing and saying that "he should have enjoyed it". Don't you think that guy needed an organization to protect him? Both from the woman, but from all the mockery too. I'm pretty sure that if I posted about a girl's rape "she should just have bended over and enjoyed it" that I'd have people's rights organizations down my throat (and I'd deserve it).