World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[Pulsar_t]

Dunno if this belongs here, but what the hell, let's hashtag men as evil creatures! Kneejerkism at its finest. It won't be long now before men erect (heh) their own version of feminism.

[dsheinem]

Dunno if this belongs here, but what the hell, let's hashtag men as evil creatures! Kneejerkism at its finest. It won't be long now before men erect (heh) their own version of feminism.

how is an outpouring of personal stories and frustrations with misogynistic, violent, and/or obsessive men who believed some of what the killer did about women a condemnation of all men as evil creatures?

[Pulsar_t]

Dunno if this belongs here, but what the hell, let's hashtag men as evil creatures! Kneejerkism at its finest. It won't be long now before men erect (heh) their own version of feminism.

how is an outpouring of personal stories and frustrations with misogynistic, violent, and/or obsessive men who believed some of what the killer did about women a condemnation of all men as evil creatures?

Maybe it's just me, but YesAllWomen implies NoAllMen, even if unconsciously. I may not agree with the likes of Stefan Molyneux on libertarianism (because it's infeasible with today's large populaces), but I find his social commentary to be spot-on in many cases. I wonder if he's done a show on this recent tragedy.

How about instead, hashtagging YesToMentalHealth (or just no hashtagging)? Something less antagonistic. Men suffer female abuse as well.

[ZeroAX]

I don't know why people are so hostile at the thought of Scottish independence. Our independence movement is one of the most peaceful and sane independence movements the world has ever seen. All we want is a fair, democratic and peaceful nation. A friend of the world. I am not referring to General Norris, I don't even know what his opinion is yet.

I'm mostly pro-yes because I find it very hypocritical of English people to be so much anti-EU and for them to be against Scottish independence. My major 2 gripes:

1) They bitch so much about the EU funds going to poorer countries, when all they did was use Scotland's oil to enrich London (don't forget that outside London the country is nowhere near as rich or productive).

2) The bitch about EU immigrants coming all the way to the UK for "benefit tourism", when in reality immigrants pay more in taxes than what they use (not to mention Polish people do their jobs better than them, something which pisses off the English working class so much), but in reality it's British people who retire in Mediterranean countries that are actually taking part in "benefit tourism", because they haven't payed a single cent in, say, Spain's healthy agency, yet they use their hospitals for free when they get sick since they are EU citizens.



Of course I'm not against that last thing, but they should realize that all these great benefits they get from the EU come at some (small imo) price. But they seem to want the best of both worlds. Free trade with everyone, free movement of THEIR people, but not taking in any working class immigrants.

Also the pro-union lobby has run a very ugly campaign to scare off the Scottish people, though from what I understand that has kind of returned like a boomerang back to hit them.


At the same time I believe Catalonia should be offered the chance to have a referendum too, because refusing just creates greater tension between it and the rest of Spain.

Though I DO find it quite stupid when I meet them abroad and they get offended when I say "oh, you're from Spain, cool"


EDIT

lol found this



now that I look at it again, it looks a bit like Russian propaganda :/

[Sload Soap]

I'm mostly pro-yes because I find it very hypocritical of English people to be so much anti-EU and for them to be against Scottish independence. My major 2 gripes:

1) They bitch so much about the EU funds going to poorer countries, when all they did was use Scotland's oil to enrich London (don't forget that outside London the country is nowhere near as rich or productive).

2) The bitch about EU immigrants coming all the way to the UK for "benefit tourism", when in reality immigrants pay more in taxes than what they use (not to mention Polish people do their jobs better than them, something which pisses off the English working class so much), but in reality it's British people who retire in Mediterranean countries that are actually taking part in "benefit tourism", because they haven't payed a single cent in, say, Spain's healthy agency, yet they use their hospitals for free when they get sick since they are EU citizens.

[ZeroAX]

I'm mostly pro-yes because I find it very hypocritical of English people to be so much anti-EU and for them to be against Scottish independence. My major 2 gripes:

1) They bitch so much about the EU funds going to poorer countries, when all they did was use Scotland's oil to enrich London (don't forget that outside London the country is nowhere near as rich or productive).

2) The bitch about EU immigrants coming all the way to the UK for "benefit tourism", when in reality immigrants pay more in taxes than what they use (not to mention Polish people do their jobs better than them, something which pisses off the English working class so much), but in reality it's British people who retire in Mediterranean countries that are actually taking part in "benefit tourism", because they haven't payed a single cent in, say, Spain's healthy agency, yet they use their hospitals for free when they get sick since they are EU citizens.

Of course I'm not against that last thing, (EDIT: the british people getting health coverage in foreign countries part)

Don't worry mate I don't have negative feelings towards British people. I just feel that populists have kidnapped the debate over Europe in the UK and there's simply no going back anymore. And since Scottland is pro-EU, if England wants to go and its smaller brother wants to stay, Scottish independence is the only way to go unfortunately.

[Luke]

Dunno if this belongs here, but what the hell, let's hashtag men as evil creatures! Kneejerkism at its finest. It won't be long now before men erect (heh) their own version of feminism.

how is an outpouring of personal stories and frustrations with misogynistic, violent, and/or obsessive men who believed some of what the killer did about women a condemnation of all men as evil creatures?

Maybe it's just me, but YesAllWomen implies NoAllMen, even if unconsciously. I may not agree with the likes of Stefan Molyneux on libertarianism (because it's infeasible with today's large populaces), but I find his social commentary to be spot-on in many cases. I wonder if he's done a show on this recent tragedy.

How about instead, hashtagging YesToMentalHealth (or just no hashtagging)? Something less antagonistic. Men suffer female abuse as well.

Something my awesome cousin posted:

"Here's one: Three times, I've been flat out unbooked for comedy shows because I declined a date with the producer. (4 actually, but it happened twice with one booker, years apart... I should've been ready for that one)"

See. That's fine.

It wasn't "fuck men", it was "here's how some men screwed me over".

But holy hell if men started their own "Bitch about women" hashtag, sex would come to a screeching halt for all men on social media. I'm lucky to have the wife I married, but most women I know and have ever met take anything any guy says negatively about a woman as a personal attack against them.

[dsheinem]

Maybe it's just me, but YesAllWomen implies NoAllMen, even if unconsciously.

I don't know how you read that into the hashtag, it is a response to the "Not All Men" reply. Here's some background/context via a quick Google News search:

http://www.bustle.com/articles/25706-af ... -men-fools

http://www.xojane.com/issues/elliot-rod ... -all-women

[Erik_Twice]

What is your opinion about Catalonia's independence movement in Spain? I haven't really studied on what is going on there.

I feel it's a chauvinistic movement, based on the idea that there's a difusse "national identity" that divides people from one another. I have a very low opinion of nationalism, so a brand of nationalism that seeks not just to protect the status quo but to increase the divisions of humanity will have very little praise from me.

However, its problems are found more in practise than theory since attempts to gain ground through educational and political coercion. In Catalonia, you can give your shop a name in any language you want except in Spanish, because if you do, you are fined. Similarly, while the law promotes bilinguisim and at least 25% of the curriculum must be taught in Spanish, in practise it's given in Catalan only and Spanish-speakers are driven out of schools. At some point the independentists created a quite literal "playground police" whose aim was to make sure children spoke in Catalan and not Spanish.

If you go to a police station, any kind of paper or form is supposed to be available in both Spanish and Catalan but the former always seems to run out. Given I was born in Valencia which is far less independentist and extremist and I can't read my vaccination card because it's in Catalan, one can easily picture how independentism is being systematically imposed through local and regional goverments onto the populace.

At some point, the president of the region of Catalonia tried to force everyone's names to change so they were more "Catalan". (So instead of "Juan" you would be forcefully named "Joan"). It was never put in practise but it shows how independentists think. To them there are only to choices: being Catalan or leaving.

This is of course icing a cake composed of xenophobia and typical "they are stealing our jobs" rethoric. It's common to see complains about how Spain is "robbing" them and how Galicia or Andalusia didn't actually need infrastructure as much as Catalonia, the second richest region of Spain, needed it more. After all, Catalonian Independentism started in the XIX century under the idea that Catalonia, which back then had a profitable textile industry, would be better off without the regions that had not industrialized yet.

So yeah, it's quite an awful movement even if I didn't think nationalism were a plague on humanity.

[MrPopo]

......all this about many parties in parliament must confuse the fuck out of you Americans

The funny thing is that theoretically the US could have a dozen parties in Congress; we just gamed the system from the beginning to only have two viable parties. There was a period in the middle of the country's life where the Whigs were there to confuse things, but that's just a memory now.

The nice thing about only a two party system is it does help to keep the super far ends of the spectrum from ending up in high office. They get shuffled off to the third parties where they get crazy people votes that don't go anywhere. The two major parties have to cater to the undecided centrists.