What Made you Smile/What Ticked you off Today?

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Luke wrote: 4) If you go to any major city, every professional wears a suit (some exclusions of course).
Every professional what?

This is part of the problem I have with people who give a flying fuck about suits: many of them seem to equate suits with "professionalism" and thus think of "professional" jobs as those where suits are worn as part of the culture. When i hear people equating suits with "professionalism" I wonder what part of their soul they had to trade or what part of their brain they had to warp to kowtow to such an elitist, corporatist philosophy.

It's also a huge class thing, right? More attractive, better tailored suits tend to be more expensive and thus multiple, fashionable outfits of top-of-the line suits are only really accessible to those in high-paying jobs. Because of this, suits are used to identify oneself as part of (or desiring of entry to) a successful socioeconomic class. I suppose that knowing that gives people a particular "agency through fashion" but frankly I think that's the same kind of bullshit measure of character that kids use to form cliques in high school...
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Luke wrote:If you go to any major city, every professional wears a suit (some exclusions of course).
Citation, please. I work at a large company (2,500). We have an official dress policy for professional and management staff...logo wear. Suit and tie is an option in place of logo wear, less than 1% use that option.

Our parent company in Minneapolis (5,000+ employees) has the same policy.

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mjmjr25 wrote:
Luke wrote:If you go to any major city, every professional wears a suit (some exclusions of course).
Citation, please. I work at a large company (2,500). We have an official dress policy for professional and management staff...logo wear. Suit and tie is an option in place of logo wear, less than 1% use that option.

Our parent company in Minneapolis (5,000+ employees) has the same policy.

EDIT: beat by Dave by 3 seconds.
I'll toss one more anecdote into the ring. At Amazon and Microsoft the execs did not wear suits; slacks and a shirt, maybe a tie if they wanted to be formal. And many would go down to polos instead of a button shirt.
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Luke wrote:
Jmustang1968 wrote:Yeah, Luke, as you already know, I dont really get your clothing requirements. It seems like you are atleast 5-6 decades out of alignment as far as that goes. Wearing suits to work is one thing, wearing them anytime you leave the house is something I would wager only a very small amount of people do these days. Im not one to say what is comfortable for others, but I hate wearing a suit/tie/coat etc...

It seems most professional settings besides sales and the courtroom have been going more casual focusing on comfort, ease, and performance over presentation.
!) A good suit never goes out of style. My fashion alignment (if that's a thing) is always on time, and not at all off. Plus suit styles change each year, so in no way shape or form am I wearing suits that someone would wear in the 70's. Lapels, cuffs, numbers of buttons, etc.

2) You're right when it comes the fact that people don't wear suits to "regular stuff". It's a shame they don't. People used to wear suits to baseball games, now they wear $50 sponsored t-shirts and look like they rolled out of bed.

3) Besides being inside of my wife or pajamas, I can't think of anything more comfortable than a suit.

4) If you go to any major city, every professional wears a suit (some exclusions of course).

5) To me wearing a tie and suit is the same as taking a shower or combing your hair. Look good.

The being decades off wasnt a hit about suits going out of style but more about your point #2 where the vast majority only wear suits for special events (funeral, wedding, interview) and not as every day wear.

I work in Houston and not many of the professionals here wear suits.
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Jmustang1968 wrote: I work in Houston and not many of the professionals here wear suits.
that's probably because it's hot as hell in houston. shooo.
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aaron wrote:
Jmustang1968 wrote: I work in Houston and not many of the professionals here wear suits.
that's probably because it's hot as hell in houston. shooo.
I am definitely thankful that wearing suits isnt an expectation. My work code is pants (jeans being acceptable) and a collared shirt, polo or buttoned.
Ive mentioned it before, but I actually don't even own a suit. Ive always just rented them when needed.
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MrPopo wrote: Again, I agree completely that she really did a shitty job of managing her life. And I get the retribution angle. But the fact of the matter is that if she does carry the child to term she is now responsible for that child's wellbeing. It is not fair to the child to force it to be raised in those circumstances. The other option is to give the kid up for adoption, but that still holds the woman hostage as an incubator. It's fine if her personal belief is that she should carry the child to term, but that wasn't the case here.

See, the fact that you have a cap on what's acceptable means you don't really want to know. You're just telling yourself that because you're still in the part of your life where everything is theoretical. It's like how you theoretically wouldn't engage in activity X for money. I guarantee that there is some amount of money that if it were right in front of you, you would do anything.

Putting the woman under the knife just to extract the embryo is pretty extreme, in my opinion. It might be routine, but there's still risk whenever you open up the body for surgery. And until near the end of the pregnancy the fetus is essentially a part of the woman's body, like any other organ. So final say should be with her. But I also feel that the act of transmitting your seed to a woman shouldn't make you financially entangled with the resulting child. With all the forms of birth control out there, as well as the abortion option, there is no reason anyone should get accidentally pregnant anymore.
Its the woman's personal opinion on whether or not she can raise it, that I understand and agree with. I just don't like how the article makes it seem like no big deal. In some cases, it isn't, but I know multiple women who have had abortions and came to regret it, or been caused emotional/mental stress over it all. I understand that the article was meant to help women who do choose to get one feel like they've made a good decision, so my view is really moot in that light.

Its not a hypothetical for me, I would absolutely feel responsible for the potential child if I was to get someone pregnant, and I would want to be involved. I would want the child even if the woman wouldn't, which would more than likely cause a shitstorm of problems and leave me more than likely emotionally hurt over the ordeal. I would also attempt marriage and the whole shebang, but that probably wouldn't work in a lot of cases.

I did point out that a surrogate option wouldn't be in line in most cases. But then again, although the procedure tends to be a lot safer, an abortion is still a form of medical procedure which can have complications.

Really though, the fact that the woman was idiotic enough not to be on birth control is mind boggling to me.
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dsheinem wrote: It's also a huge class thing, right?
Not for my "class" (whatever that is). And define "Huge class thing".

I'm a duder who wears suits because I like them, find them appropriate for my job, and like to look nice. Defending the way I dress is like defending being attracted to my wife. It simply is what it is, and what it is has no qualms to people with functioning brains.

On several occasions I've heard wives, boyfriends and girlfriends suggest "just dress like Luke". I've also heard "wear a Luke shirt". I kind of take that as a compliment meaning "dress nice. Dress like Luke does". That's a pat on the shoulder if you ask me.
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AppleQueso wrote:woa
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