HALP! Girlfriends PC crashed...me thinks?

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Your fastest and easiest solution is to pull the harddrive out and put it in an enclosure. That way you can check to make sure the pictures are ok and you can transfer them to another drive or burn them like CRT said. If this is spyware or malware, you will be ok 99% of the times if you do not run any programs on the infected drive (100% if you view them on a unix like machine). However it being stuck at the bios screen is screaming hardware failure to me.

Decharge yourself, and/or put on a antistaticband, and open the side of your pc. What do the cables inside going to the harddrive look like? The older style is called IDE and is a giant ribbon cable (usually Grey), the newer style is SATA and is much smaller (usually Blue, Red, or Black) - there are other types, but those are the main two:
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Those are the butts of an IDE and SATA harddrive, knowing which one you have will tell you what type of enclosure to buy

If you have access to another PC you could grab a windows recovery live install, Knoppix or Hirens are my preferred, but based on your previous comments that is probably not something you would be ok doing.
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noiseredux wrote:Mike, plz know that WD40 is a joke.

You guys:
Mike seriously has no idea (NO IDEA) how computers work, and he was seriously going to follow ninja's advice to degause it. I'm not joking.
I laughed really hard at this!
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Thanks Frag and Fast (and also Spoony and Irixith via PM). I really do appreciate it. I was telling noise my biggest concern was a crying wife and her 25K photos. They ARE on the 2TB external HDD, we did confirm this last night (didn't try to open them as my PC doesn't actually have the software installed to view them, but it seems all is "there", accessing is a different issue but we should be good).

Obviously would be good to still try and salvage the PC and this HDD too, it has her Quiltmaker program too, which she know longer has the program for and was like $180 at the time (Electric Quilts 7).

Most of you know i'm married, of course, the GF line was an inside joke w/my wife and I. With 4 kids she was about 35lbs heavier than when I met her. She had really / actively worked on getting back to where she's comfortable and wants to be. She's down about 20+ lbs now so i've been calling her my girlfriend. /story

Yes, Frag, I was absolutely prepared to try the WD40. Why, because it made sense. I have WD40. I like easy fixes.
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If you are uncomfortable with doing a recovery, you can ship me the whole tower and I can do a recovery and reinstall for you. Harddrive only would be alot easier, but I am sure I have some spare parts to supercharge it and if it is just the drive I can not do a reinstall.
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That's very nice of you and I think i'll take you up on it tbh...i'll shoot you a PM tonight.
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awesome Fast! I actually wish I had thought of that haha, but good to know Mike's PC will be in good hands. :D
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Building a catapult is still cheaper.
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mjmjr25 wrote:I was telling noise my biggest concern was a crying wife and her 25K photos. They ARE on the 2TB external HDD, we did confirm this last night (didn't try to open them as my PC doesn't actually have the software installed to view them, but it seems all is "there", accessing is a different issue but we should be good).

Obviously would be good to still try and salvage the PC and this HDD too, it has her Quiltmaker program too, which she know longer has the program for and was like $180 at the time (Electric Quilts 7).
You should be able to snag something to open them with. I like IrfanView as a viewer, and it's free. Should open most any common image file type, and even less commonly supported ones.

My guess is that either the machine had a RAM issue crop up, or the primary hard drive failed. If you'd be up for trying it, I'd second fastbilly1's suggestion to burn a bootable CD of some variation and run a RAM test, and see if the boot drive is working.
They should be .iso files, which (if nothing else) you can use ImgBurn (which is free) to burn to CD or DVD.

For just running a RAM test, the Ultimate Boot CD would be fine. It's basically just a bunch of utilities all put on one disc, so you'd just pick the Memory category and use one of the several RAM tests provided.

I had a very similar experience with one of my own machines - clicked a video file to open it, and the machine blue screened, and proceeded to blue screen on boot after that. I assumed HDD, but to be brief, it wound up being RAM.

You can also rotate DIMMs around as described, but if you're leery of cracking the case open the tests might be more appealing.

If you want to try getting into the files, Hiren's has a live XP environment in addition to a bunch of tools similar to the UBCD. Or you could use a Linux LiveCD or something.

With it sounding like the machine isn't always hanging in the same place all the time, I'd kinda suspect this more. It might be hanging on the HP screen if/when the drive doesn't spin up at all (or due to very slow drive response), and then hits Windows and blue screens if it happens to work for a little while.


A couple additional things you might check:

Heat - usually, thermal management would throttle the CPU, and only cut the machine off if it was really needed. It'd also usually cut the machine off, not blue screen. That said, if you feel comfortable popping the side panel off and making sure fans are spinning and all that, it couldn't hurt. Reseating cards and plugs is often a troubleshooting step.

Also check the ports, namely USB ports. Normally, there's a piece of plastic in there bracing four pins. On occasion, I've seen that get broken off, leaving the pins. Then someone tries to plug something in again, and the pins get crushed against the shielding...and short things out.
I kinda doubt this, since when I've seen it, it caused the machines to hang at boot with a black screen and blinking cursor in the top left. Still, can't hurt to check. I've seen it with USB and Firewire ports, same result.
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isiola wrote:
a lot of awesome and helpful stuff, that I may use, or for sure can be used by others experiencing similar things - thank you very very much, and noise said you'd be a wealth of knowledge.
What I read was:
send it to fast, or freeze it, then degauss it, next spray it w/WD40, lastly light it on fire and put it in your trebuchet.
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Whatever you do, Mike, just make sure your ballz are safe this time.
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