The Comic Book Thread

[BurningDoom]

What's funny about the Final Crisis crossover minis, is that most of them were self-contained stories and had nothing to do with the Final Crisis (Superman Beyond, Rogues, and Legion of 3 Worlds). And they were good stories on their own, better than the utter garbage that was the main Final Crisis mini series. The only good thing about the main Final Crisis series was the stellar J.G. Jones covers.

[jmbarnes101]

Yeah, Civil War just turned me off in large part to the fact I am just not a Bendis fan at all. I found the motivations of many characters to be completely ridiculous like they drew names out of a hat to figure out who would be on which side. The only title I enjoyed was Brubaker's Cap which I've got in the Omninus books they've released.

As for Final Crisis, the main mini was a mess. Even after having read most of the other stuff, a lot of which is very good, it still made little sense to me. After rereading it I still don't understand it and Grant could have greatly benefited from a heavy handed editor. Blackest Night and Brightest Day didn't have a payoff for me that was worth the investment I made in those events. The last even I liked was 52 and Infinite Crisis.

Unfortunately with the reboot my DC is dead and won't be coming back. I know how people felt after COIE killed off the multiverse and the characters they had grown up with.

[Sload Soap]

Yeah, it seemed to me that Cap would be pro-reg because the basis for his character is someone who willingly signed up to be made into a protector of peace by the government. Iron Man however spends half his time trying to stop greasy government backed multinationals from stealing his ideas. And I guess Reed was bored building time machines and portals to the negative-zone so he thought he'd clone Thor for the lulz. Also maths. Seriously, if you go back and read it, he backs it because of some maths he did.

I wonder, did any of you feel slightly patronised that all the super-intelligent characters like Pym, Stark and Richards were Pro-Reg and therefore pro government intervention, and all the sort of dumb punchy people like Hercules, Punisher and Human Torch were anti-reg? I wonder what the message is behind this?

As for Final Crisis, who the heck is Mandrakk again?

[SpaceBooger]

I'm glad you guys are posting this. I though FC was a confusing read, as I do with most of Morrision's stuff post All-Star Superman, and got chastised on other sites. I'm sorry I don't want to wikipedia every reference or take notes to put the most minuscule of clues together.

I re-read Flashpoint (and most of the tie-ins) this summer and have to admit that it was well thought out and well written on par with the Age of Apocolypse. If it didn't create the New 52 as was a traditional Elsewhere book people would have loved it.

[Sload Soap]

It is nice to be able to bash Final Crisis a bit without someone jumping down your throat. At the time of release some people would just say you "didn't get it" or worse, say you were too dumb to understand it. And they were partly right; I didn't get it. But that was because it was just a load of things and ideas happening with no rhyme or reason and then a space vampire turns up and superman sings at him and there's a magic rabbit.

I think some people said that the choppy nature of the plot was there to reflect that time and space were collapsing, but time and space collapse every other tuesday in the DC universe and the story usually stays focused. To add insult to injury, Grant Morrison had already done a much more effective and genuinely terrifying version of the Darkseid takes over earth story in JLA a few years earlier.

I guess while we're on the topic, how did people feel about Blackest Night? I thought it was generally enjoyable, just the main story that is, but didn't enjoy seeing some characters like Ralph and Sue Dibney tearing out hearts and seemingly enjoying it.

[BurningDoom]

I guess while we're on the topic, how did people feel about Blackest Night? I thought it was generally enjoyable, just the main story that is, but didn't enjoy seeing some characters like Ralph and Sue Dibney tearing out hearts and seemingly enjoying it.

It was enjoyable. Nothing to complain about. And Nekron's redesign looked way cooler than his original design. But Johns' two big GL events before it (Green Lantern: Rebirth and The Sinestro Corps War), were so much better.

[SpaceBooger]

I guess while we're on the topic, how did people feel about Blackest Night? I thought it was generally enjoyable, just the main story that is, but didn't enjoy seeing some characters like Ralph and Sue Dibney tearing out hearts and seemingly enjoying it.

It was enjoyable. Nothing to complain about. And Nekron's redesign looked way cooler than his original design. But Johns' two big GL events before it (Green Lantern: Rebirth and The Sinestro Corps War), were so much better.

I agree.
I didn't mind Blackest Night, but like the others we have been talking about - there were too many minis, one-shots, and extra books I choose not to read.

[jmbarnes101]

I guess while we're on the topic, how did people feel about Blackest Night? I thought it was generally enjoyable, just the main story that is, but didn't enjoy seeing some characters like Ralph and Sue Dibney tearing out hearts and seemingly enjoying it.

It was enjoyable. Nothing to complain about. And Nekron's redesign looked way cooler than his original design. But Johns' two big GL events before it (Green Lantern: Rebirth and The Sinestro Corps War), were so much better.

I agree.
I didn't mind Blackest Night, but like the others we have been talking about - there were too many minis, one-shots, and extra books I choose not to read.

I agree with all of those points but in the end what did it do? Other then bring Constantine and Swamp Thing back from Vertigo after Brightest Day, which why bother if you're rebooting everything anyway, their was no payoff so in that regard it was disappointing. It was a much better read then Final Crisis was.

Just for kicks, does anyone do any trading of comic books, TPB's, or HC's? With Sequential Swap going down I don't have anywhere to trade anymore. CCL only resulted in one trade. I also have Marvel Heroclix I would trade for DC Heroclix or Thor's Chariot or Rocket Raccoon.

[BurningDoom]

I agree with all of those points but in the end what did it do? Other then bring Constantine and Swamp Thing back from Vertigo after Brightest Day, which why bother if you're rebooting everything anyway, their was no payoff so in that regard it was disappointing. It was a much better read then Final Crisis was.

Just for kicks, does anyone do any trading of comic books, TPB's, or HC's? With Sequential Swap going down I don't have anywhere to trade anymore. CCL only resulted in one trade. I also have Marvel Heroclix I would trade for DC Heroclix or Thor's Chariot or Rocket Raccoon.

Brightest Day brought back a number of characters in addition to Swamp Thing and Constantine. Some that come to mine: Ice Maiden (Ice), Jade (Infinity Inc.), Hawk (Hawk & Dove), and some others that I'm sure I'm forgetting. It also brought together "The New Guardians". The team of ring-bearers from different Corps with Kyle Rayner. And didn't Flash: Rebirth have something to do with Blackest Night?

I trade comics, I don't know if we've done this before or not, I do a lot of online trades. But if you want, send me a list of what you're looking for. I don't have a lot of TPBs, mostly floppies. But they're all bagged and board. DC & Marvel from the late 70s to current.

[BurningDoom]

http://www.newsarama.com/20012-sinestro ... april.html

SINESTRO Gets Ongoing Series In April



On the final page of last month’s Forever Evil #4 (to your right), Sinestro arrives on the Crime Syndicate-occupied Earth to face off against Power Ring. DC then asks the question teasing the next issue, “GUESS WHO WINS?”



While we can’t predict the winner, we can tell you Sinestro at least survives the fight, and comes out something of a winner because starting in April he’ll become the latest DC supervillain/sometimes anti-hero to headline his own ongoing series, further expanding the publisher's cosmic/Lantern family of titles.


Green Lantern #23.4: Sinestro

DC has confirmed that Sinestro, by the creative team of writer Cullen Bunn (The Sixth Gun, Marvel’s Magneto - yup, another villain book!) and artist Dale Eaglesham (Green Lantern #23.4: Sinestro) will debut on April 16.

We’ll be talking to Bunn (doing just his second DC work after a four-issue stint on 2011’s pre-New 52 Superman/Batman) for more details soon, but for now we can tell readers the new series finds Sinestro desperate having lost everything he’s ever loved – his home, family, and his only friend.

But his one-time enemy/one-time Sinestro Corps recruit Lyssa Drak (who played a prominent role in September’s Sinestro Villains Month one-shot) reminds him he’ll always have fear.

The series will follow the one-time Green Lantern as he either takes back the Yellow Lantern Corps, or forges whatever new destiny the universe has in store for him.

Look for that interview with Bunn and more information coming soon.

Awesome. I will be getting this one.