CGR is leaving Youtube

[noiseredux]

I think Nathan Barnatt is a genuinely great duder and support his stuff whether I like it or not.

You know those Beat Tom vidoes he makes? The ones with gameplay footage in them? The ones that don't review anything, just show footage of guys playing a game? When those get taken down, you'll surely tell Nathan

Put me in the "Thank God" column.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

then?

[AppleQueso]

You and I, who remember the game's release and have read up on it, aren't the target audience. A 15 year old kid who is just getting into gaming history? They watch videos about everything, so why should game history be any different?

I'd put money down that he didn't make that video with the cause of video game history preservation in mind. Let's hope not anyway, he thinks he MSX2 is "a pretty small console".

Besides, pretty much everything he is saying can be ascertained by a 15 year old kid with something that will run the game and internet access. He's not talking about the Dead Sea Scrolls or teaching Mandarin here. Knowing what Metal Gear Solid is and how it's relevant is a pretty easy thing to accomplish without having to watch a critical analysis. Long videos about topics that have yet to be covered much, and/or are more obscure, or difficult to understand (modding, region specific titles, etc), I could understand more.

MSX2 was huge in Japan, sure, but is pretty small if we're talking globally, and it's virtually unknown outside of specific gaming circles. Seriously, how many gamers, even among retro forums, can even name you any MSX exclusives besides the Metal Gears?

Anyway, I found a lot of it pretty interesting and insightful and I eat this sort of stuff up, if that makes me dumber than a 15 year old then oh well. Point being, it's the exact opposite of the sorts of videos people were complaining about elsewhere in this thread.

[Luke]

I think Nathan Barnatt is a genuinely great duder and support his stuff whether I like it or not.

You know those Beat Tom vidoes he makes? The ones with gameplay footage in them? The ones that don't review anything, just show footage of guys playing a game? When those get taken down, you'll surely tell Nathan

Put me in the "Thank God" column.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

then?

You mean the Beat Tom videos that aren't labeled as REVIEWS? The Beat Tom videos where they are labeled as "Two guys playing video games"?

Yeah. That's a great point.


Not.

[Damm64]

Sorry, I'll never consider reviewing video games on Youtube to be "work" - to me, it falls into the category of "profitable hobby". I'm sure there is a certain amount of effort that goes into producing videos (for a few people, not all, considering some folks only put out a new video once a month) but for the most part, this isn't a situation where people are working 40 hours a week, or even 40 a month.

Ah, i see that you never have edited a video in your life. Getting the right set it for audio video and the putting togheter eveything is time consuming. I've done it for crappy 5 minute videos on the school and a 5 minute video took me hours to make it look somewhat decent.

So...you just proved my point? If the average game review video is, let's say, twelve minutes long, and it took you a few hours to do a five-minute clip (let's say six hours to be generous), then it should take around fourteen hours to complete a game review? Now, let's say a Youtuber completes two videos a month at twelve minutes each: total time would be twenty-eight hours a month. That's a job to you? Seven hours a week? Keep in mind that most of these guys are quite good at editing and many videos aren't even twelve minutes long, so the time would likely be even shorter.

Try gettin footage of the game, not from youtube from your own, then after playing the whole game prepare the scrip and rewatch all your gameplay finding the parts that proof the points you're making on the video. Now prepare the voice over of the video reading your scrip, and this takes more than one shot. Now that you have all of that is time to put the video togheter making sure all the audio and video aren't out of sync. Now do this for 3 more videos on the same month, gettin one video out in one month won't let anywere unless you already have a few hundreds of thousands of subscribers.

Editing videos, good videos, are time consuming. If this is not a real job then every one who edits and puts togheter a movie are only doing this because they like it!

[noiseredux]

You mean the Beat Tom videos that aren't labeled as REVIEWS? The Beat Tom videos where they are labeled as "Two guys playing video games"?

Yeah. That's a great point.


Not.

Yes it is. You don't seem to get that it won't just be the "reviews" that get booted from YT. Which was what I meant when I said:

the thing I find silliest is just that you have no problem generalizing that any/all videos related to games are crap and we're better off without them. You don't like the reviews? Fine. Maybe some people have discovered favorite games thanks to them though. You don't like the characters? Well actually you do like Keith Apicary, so... "Let's Plays" do nothing for you?" That's fine, but as others have pointed out they can be a good resource for various reasons be it help, history, comparison of ports, and so on. So ultimately you're saying "eh, I saw a couple reviews I thought were crappy, so I'm ok with the idea that there would be no video game related videos on Youtube." Which is strangely dismissive considering you're a fan of this hobby.

But that was the part of my post you chose not to respond to.

[Luke]

Why respond to something that makes no sense?

Terms of Use. /discussion

[Jmustang1968]

This is another case of I like it so I am sad it is going away or I dont like it so good riddance. Obviously, if it wasnt for you in the first place, then no big loss. But for those who enjoyed it, then it is. Enough people seem to enjoy the videos that the loss would be felt.

I dont really watch regular reviews of games, but I dont mind some informative type videos that show you gameplay. There have been times I see someone say a game is good, or see a title I am not familiar with and google up a screenshot or video search to get an idea of the gameplay, art, and style etc... So even though I am not really a regular subscriber to most of them, they are great to use as references.

[Luke]

But that was the part of my post you chose not to respond to.

Check and mate.

[noiseredux]

But that was the part of my post you chose not to respond to.

Check and mate.

Right. Check mate. You chose to ignore my question.

Thumb down.

By the way I've never even seen CGR. But if this leads to ALL game related videos going down, then our hobby has taken a hit. And I'm not sure how that's nonsensical to you.

[brunoafh]

MSX2 was huge in Japan, sure, but is pretty small if we're talking globally, and it's virtually unknown outside of specific gaming circles. Seriously, how many gamers, even among retro forums, can even name you any MSX exclusives besides the Metal Gears?

It actually did have a fairly large global following, it just didn't really take off in the West. I don't know how many gamers know of MSX exclusives, but I would assume at least a good amount of retro gamers know that it birthed Metal Gear, Bomberman, and Aleste. It's not like it's some ultra obscure system. But I get the idea he wouldn't know any of this, as he doesn't even know that it's not a console. Which isn't a big deal generally, but it makes you lose credibility if you're acting like an expert and making giant game analysis videos.

if that makes me dumber than a 15 year old then oh well

It was not my intent to be condescending if that's what you're getting at, I just wasn't impressed by the video.