General PC game discussion thread

[Ack]

let me get this straight? You think that sucking with a controller is going to make me want to suck worse because I'm trying to use a kb/m that I'm not comfortable using?

Yes. Because it's the best way to learn, and we're more likely to teach you with a keyboard how to do things because we can remember the keys easier.

[ZenErik]

You get used to it. Just like a lot of people don't like arcade sticks at first until they get used to them.

[fastbilly1]

I was a staunch controller user for FPS games until I started playing TFC. Then I had to have a Keyboard and Mouse to do anything of merit in game.

[noiseredux]

I was a staunch controller user for FPS games until I started playing TFC. Then I had to have a Keyboard and Mouse to do anything of merit in game.

you sold out, man. I beat Half-Life with a Dreamcast controller!

[fastbilly1]

I was a staunch controller user for FPS games until I started playing TFC. Then I had to have a Keyboard and Mouse to do anything of merit in game.

you sold out, man. I beat Half-Life with a Dreamcast controller!

I did as well. But I can beat it in a quarter of the time with a Mouse/keyboard. And I dont get as frustrated. Then I can go and kill Ack in Bounce for an hour or so.

[Ack]

I was a staunch controller user for FPS games until I started playing TFC. Then I had to have a Keyboard and Mouse to do anything of merit in game.

you sold out, man. I beat Half-Life with a Dreamcast controller!

That's Half-Life. That's doable.

But conc-jumping while cooking a frag and unloading a pump shotty into a sniper's face across 2Fort only to crouch-jump through the bunker and flip to a medkit and give him AIDS a half-second later?

For that, you'll need mouse and keyboard.

[flex wood]

I was a staunch controller user for FPS games until I started playing TFC. Then I had to have a Keyboard and Mouse to do anything of merit in game.

you sold out, man. I beat Half-Life with a Dreamcast controller!

That's Half-Life. That's doable.

But conc-jumping while cooking a frag and unloading a pump shotty into a sniper's face across 2Fort only to crouch-jump through the bunker and flip to a medkit and give him AIDS a half-second later?

For that, you'll need mouse and keyboard.

I have no idea what any of that means.

[noiseredux]

I have no idea what any of that means.

I know "frag" and "Half-Life." I'm still trying to Babelfish the rest.

[fastbilly1]

I have no idea what any of that means.

I know "frag" and "Half-Life." I'm still trying to Babelfish the rest.

Let me break it down for you.

But conc-jumping

Conc Jumping is an advance technique of movement in Team Fortress Classic (TFC). A Concussion Grenade, commonly called a conc, is a distraction grenade used by the Medics and Scouts:

Instead of damaging your target, it makes their HUD shift in a semi random pattern. It also will fling anyone within five in game feet of the conc backwards from the grenade. Skilled players would exploit this push from the conc and use it to fling themselves across the map. The common vernacular for this was a Conc Jump. By using concs to propel yourself across the map you could easily grab the flag and disorient everyone in your path. You could also reach places you should not reach - like going from one battlements to the other in 2 Fort (more on 2 Fort later). For more on Conc Jumping please watch this video:

While it is for Fortress Forever and not TFC, it is a similar process.

while cooking a frag

Cooking means holding down a grenade before you throw it, making the timer go down in your hands instead of on the ground. In TFC grenades have a 3 or 5 second timer, by cooking it, you can reduce that down to 1 seconds, or even blow yourself up. A Frag is a Fragmentation grenade, the standard pineapple grenade used in most videogames, and by many classes in TFC:

and unloading a pump shotty into a sniper's face

Pump shotgun, also called Super Shotgun, is the double barrel shotgun from Quake in the TFC world.

Carried by the Medic, Engineer, and Heavy Weapons guy, the pump shotgun is one of the most effective weapons in the game. A snipers face is his weak point. Snipers, the bane of the game, play TFC in a form similar to a point and click adventure. However the only commands they utilize is "Use sniper rifle on wall to charge done" then "Use sniper rifle on friend or enemy." Snipers can catapult allies with a shot, though at a cost of their allies armor.

across 2Fort

2 Fort was one of the most played maps in TFC. It is one of the original six maps from Team Fortress and is just a solidly built and balanced map. It is a two mirror swapped fortresses facing each other separated by a moat:

Throughout its heyday it was easy to find multiple 16-24 player games of 2fort at anytime day or night. The battlements brought up earlier are on the top of the two fortresses and are where the capture point for the opponents flag is located. It is also a prime spot for both Snipers and Turrets.

only to crouch-jump through the bunker

A crouch jump is a technique in FPS games where you hit the crouch button the apex of your jump to gain height. In the singeplayer Half Life campaign this allows you to activate the power assisted movement. In TFC this allows you to not only get on top of some crates, it allows you to go through certain windows and gaps. As mentioned in Acks comment, it is possible to crouch jump through the front of the bunker on the battlements (ie the capture point).

and flip to a medkit and give him AIDS a half-second later?

In TFC the Medic carried a medpak:

This device allowed the Medic to heal his teammates, but it also allowed him to give enemies a disease. The disease is officially called Contagion, but for years was called Anti Infantry Disease Syndrome (or AIDS). what AIDS did to an enemy was tick them for damage. 5 points of damage every 4-5 seconds. It would also spread to any other enemy who came near the infected enemy. The only way to heal it is to die or have a friendly Medic heal you. Early on in the game (fixed roughly around 2003), AIDS would also break the Engineer from building his turret and the Sniper from powering his gun.

For that, you'll need mouse and keyboard.

These are input devices for your computer. The mouse, as used today, was created by Xerox in the 70s, and stolen by Apple. It is based on a device that was of the lineage of the input device for the Comprehensive Display System radar plotting system. Where as the keyboard came from the typewriter. However Ack is stating this in that the Mouse and Keyboard present a greater degree of control over your gameplay. And while you can do some of what he stated with a controller. The entire scene he described is usually done in less than 3 seconds in a game of TFC on a populated server. What he forgot to mention is that while infecting the enemy, that grenade he was cooking goes off and kills him and then we all have a hearty laugh at him.

Note:
Some of this information is off due to me not having enough coffee in my body right now and not bothering to really research it.

[Ack]

What he forgot to mention is that while infecting the enemy, that grenade he was cooking goes off and kills him and then we all have a hearty laugh at him.

Yeah, but it also sometimes launches the sniper off the balcony.

It was worth it!