If you buy an Xbone, you should lose the right to vote

[ZenErik]

Fuck it, have you forgotten about how the original Xbox One looked like? .

Yea. It looked even better than the current state of the Xbox One because it had features like selling used digital game licenses and game library sharing.

[TEKTORO]

We should all have tons of babies and flood the "system" so "they" can go ape shit overwhelmed and lose track of "everything" "everywhere"!

Unless they hire our off spring to catch up on themselves?

Oh shit, wrong thread. I thought this was taking back civilization thread

[Retrogamer0001]

But...my Halo...!

[isiolia]

I've read it, don't claim otherwise, please.

Here's the deal. My actions being recorded and sent to a central server for processing is
a breach of my privacy rights. Period. Microsoft has no right to do so and any product that tries to do so should be banned. Giving up your rights should not be neccessary to buy any product.

No it isn't. Doing it without your consent is. Plenty of things do it already, and often need to in order to do what you want them to (like GPS, as has been mentioned).

Again, most of the document is stating that the data stays local, or that it can't be tied back to you. In recent interviews, MS reps have said that the facial recognition data, for example doesn't leave the console because there are concerns about privacy.

If/when you run into stuff that would require that kind of data send, it'll ask for permission. If you don't want personalized ads, MS even has a site for that so you can disable it (which is linked in the full document).


The other thing to keep in mind is that part of the user agreement there is to say what they can't do.
They mention that "you may be recorded" because other XBox users could record you when playing multiplayer games. Can't exactly prevent every 13 year old in the U.S. from pulling out their smartphone as they're pwning you in CoD. In turn, MS can't monitor communications in every multiplayer match, in order to protect those children's ears from the string of profanities you'll sling at them.


It's not the same as cracking into communications where there is an expectation of privacy. Game systems now already do half this stuff. The Wii will tell you how many hours you spent playing different games...it also tells Nintendo. Valve does (opt-in) hardware polls. Achievements (if nothing else) tell developers how far people got in their games. Though in general, they can know now what percent of people actually beat them versus not. Because those general, anonymous metrics are shared.

[MrPopo]

I have a hunch that Norris thinks that Snowden did a good thing. Why is it ok to violate the NSA's privacy but not your own?

[Erik_Twice]

No it isn't.

Sorry, what isn't? I don't know what "it" refers to, sorry

I have a hunch that Norris thinks that Snowden did a good thing. Why is it ok to violate the NSA's privacy but not your own?

I don't see how this is relevant to the question in hand.

[isiolia]

No it isn't.

Sorry, what isn't? I don't know what "it" refers to, sorry

The process of your actions being recorded and sent to a server being a breach of your privacy rights.

First, and foremost, because they're telling you up front that it's something the product does. It's part of the EULA, thus, by using the product, you've given them permission, so it's not a violation of anything.

Second, as with quite a lot of technology these days, it may simply require that to do what you want it to do.
If you're, say, playing a game with Kinect, it collects rudimentary data about your body movements. It's what the product does. Any game you play online is going to transmit your inputs, your position in the game, that kind of data, back to the server. If you're playing a Kinect game...online...take a wild guess what the data being sent back to the server might include.
That's why the Kinect gets its own special section. Because it is such a potential privacy problem. Note, though, the steady refrain of "cannot be used to identify you" and "destroyed once your session ends" (or "with user consent") throughout.

Are they grabbing information to use to try to sell you more shit? Absolutely. They're going to look at what TV shows you watch through the thing to recommend more shows. They're going to look at what games you play, to recommend other games.

Unless, of course, you go to their opt-out site and opt out of targeted ads.

What they aren't doing is using Kinect data to do that.

I don't disagree that secretly grabbing personal data is wrong. In this case, it's just not so secret, and there are perfectly valid reasons why its being collected.

[dsheinem]

I don't disagree that secretly grabbing personal data is wrong. In this case, it's just not so secret, and there are perfectly valid reasons why its being collected.

This should have been post two and /thread.