The Wrestling Thread

[BurningDoom]

^ I am totally a full-fledged Cena hater, not even gonna try to deny it.

But this was more than that on Raw. That was ridiculous. Sandow wrestled a helluva a match. Cena was "injured". And Sandow cashed-in his Money In The Bank. Despite it all, they still had Cena pull a Superman out and make Sandow look like just another notch in Cena's belt.

[Menegrothx]

Cena has been on the top for 8 years. Austin and Rock were at the top for 3 years. There's something to think about.

[RCBH928]

@GamerforLife

The question is why do you bother watching the WWE? Just give it up, wrestling today sucks. Looking back at wrestling, while it was much better in the 80's and 90's, bad story lines always existed . A lot made no sense. Today all story lines are crap, and when you are selling to kids who do not know any better and do not have a critical mind, it really doesn't matter. The WWE is probably watching numbers. If ratings are higher when Cena is on TV, then put Cena on TV no matter what. Today wrestling became an excuse to make money and as an ad medium for other shows/celebrities .

There is also the fact that no other competition exists . I can tell you from personal experience, I was once involved in something , while we did work fine it was only when competition came out that we pushed ourselves to the limits and did our best work.

The question is, why are you still watching wrestling? The sad part is, TNA is not even trying to pick those fans who are upset with the current WWE product which makes me think they all are just after something different other than the wrestling product.

@Menegrothx
I guess there is no replacement. I talked about this before, wrestling is not making any new wrestlers. They are all crap to me. On the opposite of the 80's and 90's when great talents would just pop out like Goldberg, Kurt, Dudley Boys, Sandman , Raven...etc

[Menegrothx]

@Menegrothx
I guess there is no replacement. I talked about this before, wrestling is not making any new wrestlers. They are all crap to me. On the opposite of the 80's and 90's when great talents would just pop out like Goldberg, Kurt, Dudley Boys, Sandman , Raven...etc

Cena isn't irreplaceable by any means. I don't know if CM Punk can be a company carrying face (he's probably just a lot better at being a heel, atleast in his current persona, maybe if he went back to his old style it'd work), but Punk and Bryan both have the skills and are over with the crowd.

I think there are probably many people who could get over enough to replace Cena, but they aren't being allowed to do that or are being held down.

Hogan was at the top for a long time too (and held talent down from taking his spot), but he was a much bigger draw than Cena and had a much more profound impact on the industry

[Gamerforlife]

@Menegrothx
I guess there is no replacement. I talked about this before, wrestling is not making any new wrestlers. They are all crap to me. On the opposite of the 80's and 90's when great talents would just pop out like Goldberg, Kurt, Dudley Boys, Sandman , Raven...etc

Cena isn't irreplaceable by any means. I don't know if CM Punk can be a company carrying face (he's probably just a lot better at being a heel, atleast in his current persona, maybe if he went back to his old style it'd work), but Punk and Bryan both have the skills and are over with the crowd.

I think there are probably many people who could get over enough to replace Cena, but they aren't being allowed to do that or are being held down.

Hogan was at the top for a long time too (and held talent down from taking his spot), but he was a much bigger draw than Cena and had a much more profound impact on the industry

I completely agree with this. If I had to choose the most aggravating, frustrating thing that I hear people say on a regular basis on various wrestling blogs and podcasts, it would be the statement that Cena gets pushed over everyone else on the roster because there is no one to replace him

That is and always has been COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT. The talent is there. It's just that WWE and Vince McMahon have a hard on for Cena and refuse to place anyone else in that top spot. I don't know why that is. It's the single greatest mystery in wrestling today. Is Cena giving Vince blowjobs backstage every day?

CM Punk in 2011 after the "Pipe bomb" could have been pushed right into Cena's spot. Daniel bryan this past couple months I was hoping against hope was going to get pushed into Cena's top spot as he was MASSIVELY over and has the talent to back it up, but now I fear they've ruined him with so many screw jobs and losses, the same way they ruined Punk in 2011. And the sad thing is, I think Bryan had even more potential than Punk, because he is a more universally appealing character(I don't think there's any man, woman, adult or child who doesn't like Daniel Bryan), and I think he got even more over with fans this year than Punk was in 2011

And you know what? Punk and Bryan are more talented in every regard than Cena. Bryan is more likable than Cena. Punk is leagues better on the mic than Cena and both guys could easily out wrestle Cena any day of the week

But as long as Vince and Cena have their little bromance he will always be at the top. The thing is, if the WWE machine got behind Punk, Bryan or the next super talented guy to come along as much as they did with Cena for the past decade, they would have their Cena replacement. Cena didn't get to the top of the mountain because he's better than everyone else that has come along. It's just because, for reasons we'll never know, WWE just decided that they would make him the guy and pushed him to the moon. And they have refused to do that for anyone else. Cena's the glass ceiling.

[Menegrothx]

It seems like Vince is scared of pushing new guys since Lesnar left after he had been trying to make him the guy to carry the company since day one pretty much. It's crazy how much they pushed Lesnar (the next big thing, Paul Heyman, HAVING HULK FRIGGING HOGAN JOB TO HIM ON AN EPISODE OF SMACKDOWN after being in the company for what, 4 months?+getting a clean victory on The Rock and winning the Undisputed title after that and a Hell in a cell victory over the Undertaker soon after).

You know what really puzzles me though? You had the rising stars during the attitude era that were waiting for Rock&Austin to step aside like Angle and Jericho. Over as hell with the crowd and much more talented in ring&mic than Cena. And a decade worth of wrestling experience in Jericho's case.
Vince had talent like RVD, Booker T, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero and Edge who had been paying dues and showing their worth for a lot longer than Cena. I mean seriously, you had guys who had worked for years and years in the business (over a decade in some cases), who were over with the crowd and had helped WWF beat WCW in the monday night war. And how do you pay those guys? Push them aside so guys who are not over, who have not payed their dues etc and make them your new stars (Lesnar, Cena, Orton, Batista). WTF?!? What the hell kind of logic is that? Instead of rewarding those guys, who've proven that they're good and can be counted upon, who draw money etc, for their loyalty to you, you give the spotlight that those veterans deserve to some new guys who've never once done anything to you.

In 2004 Guerrero&Benoit go to the top (and what a glorious moment that was), but it didn't last very long. Soon after we were watching the JBL vs John Cena feud.

I've said it before and will say it again: I have no clue how Vince could let Kurt Angle go. You'd rather make John Cena your man than Kurt Angle? What the fuck?!

[TheSegaSaturnGuy]

I think they are trying to take Cena out of the lime light a bit by making him the World Heavyweight Champion. I think they want him on Smackdown to try to bring more viewers for that show. Since the "Supershow" thing where Smackdown superstars are in storylines on Raw there has not been anything going on on Friday nights. I don't think we will see him as much as before.

[RCBH928]

I went to look at Twitter. I saw that Shawn Michaels got 2m followers, CMPunk got like 2, Bryan got like 1.something .... John Cena has over 5m followers. Do you know how the translates to the WWE? Cena can sell 2.5 times shirts as much as PUNK, 2.5 as much audience...and 2.5x everything else.

I think WWE is so much invested in Cena that they do not want to go through marketing a new guy. Its just like in Videogames, why does Nintendo keep making MARIO games. Why don't they make the exact same game but with a different character? Is Mario replaceable ? Sure... they can invent new characters or there are some other forgotten ones they can get their hands on like Sonic, MegaMan, EarthWorm Jim, Rayman, Braid... the thing is, if Mario works why replace it?

I do not think in wrestling history there ever was as much as bromance as Triple H and Vince, he literally was put up from lower mid-card to top star over a night when he was joined with Shawn Michaels (WWF champion) to be the WWF's to the nWo as D-generation X . Cena is just getting the special treatment all the top stars used to get like Sting in WCW, and Hogan in the WWF, and probably RVD or TAZ in ECW.

I really think if the right guy comes along, Cena will be exchanged. Whoever is around now, must be pushed and marketing and they should try to put the spotlight on him just to get him, maybe, to the stardom level of what is already with Cena. I have watched some WWE and can tell you some guys were given enormous pushes, but then it was taken away from them. Why? My biggest guess is that they didn't click with the crowd . Including:
-Del Rio -The Miz -Sheamus -CM Punk

On the other hand though, I believe Mysterio, Orton, and some one like Lesnar got enough star power to carry the company for some time.

Having a favorit wrestler by a wrestling fed. is an old thing, its like a teacher's pet. Why does it happen though I am not sure exactly, it could be there is more to it that meets the eye. In the case of Cena, I am guessing they just do not see any one as a money maker as much as he is. Heck, it could be political because Cena is such a huge supporter of the American troops/army .

If WWE fan do not like Cena then they should vote with their money, like I do. I do not watch or buy any WWE thing any more... call me when its like attitude era again

[Menegrothx]

Intresting thing about the The Bella Twins:

Nicole is dating fellow professional wrestler John Cena.[96] In September 2013, Brianna and her long-term boyfriend, professional wrestler Bryan Danielson, revealed their engagement

A reason behind the Bryan push?
/Cena hate/conspiracy

[RCBH928]

Intresting thing about the The Bella Twins:

Nicole is dating fellow professional wrestler John Cena.[96] In September 2013, Brianna and her long-term boyfriend, professional wrestler Bryan Danielson, revealed their engagement

A reason behind the Bryan push?
/Cena hate/conspiracy

You really think that is how it works? I am not familiar with culture in the west (europe+America) but do things really work out that way? It sure does over here...