What Made you Smile/What Ticked you off Today?

[Jmustang1968]

also i chuckled pretty heartily at the teachers v. construction workers analogy, too, but then i realized that oversimplifying the correlation between two factors down to the basic facets (in this case, and in most cases when this happens, money) aligns very well with the same ideology that would place a nuclear engineering major at more value to society than an elementary education major. kinda like saying that corn syrup is more valuable to food production than, say, water or sunlight.
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I think you guys were applying my analogy too broadly and taking it out of the context for which it was intended. It brought home my point that difficulty of the job doesn't really correlate with higher salaries.

I am also not necessarily talking societal values but more so economic. Typically, the more exclusionary or difficult the training or education such as an engineering degree, a doctorate etc... will result in higher pay. The link even spelled some of that out by saying some degrees with only a bachelor as compared to a masters or doctorate had large disparities of pay.
All one needs to be a construction worker is a physically able body. Once one gets experience he is more valuable, but you need none of that to begin. The work can be really tough, but since most people could be a construction worker, pay reflects that.
Teachers need a bachelors and some some post grad certification. While that does take 4-5 years of education, it is less time than or relatively easier than that of a doctor or engineer. Therefore, the more easily attainable degree for teaching has more available workers and more competition for jobs.

It gets a bit murkier as there has to be an underlying lucrative industry to support the higher salaries. So one can get a doctorate in certain fields and still not have a pay that reflects it. It is also different in that an engineer with a masters or doctorate isn't worth the costs of the education as compared to the salary, when viewed in that way.

[brunoafh]

i've just seen too many people cry over being called fat or feeling bad about their body type to let shit like that slide without saying something. and i realize that's a personal thing, so it's all good, whatever.

If someone is reduced to tears for being called what they are, to me that's a good sign they feel guilt over it and should probably do something to change the situation. Plenty of fat guys could care less about getting busted on for their weight also. Fat slobs at Olive Garden inhaling baskets of bread probably could care less whether or not you think they are fat, or slobs for that matter.

Not that I personally go around calling overweight people names or care what they do with themselves, of course. But at the same time I don't necessarily see anything wrong with a fat person being called fat, because it's choice related 99% of the time.

[dsheinem]

I think getting into a debate about whether certain fields are easier or tougher, on the whole, is a bit inane. I think certain places have tougher programs in certain fields over others and that in any field more advanced degrees are going to be increasingly more difficult to attain. But saying that a B.A. is "easier" than a B.S., that an MBA is "easier" than an M.A., etc. is really hard to quantify. Some people are better able to write brilliant prose, others are better at complex equations, some are whizzes at coding, some are able to cultivate a talent for acting, etc. That doesn't make any of these things easier or harder, more or less time consuming, etc.

That said, I absolutely agree that eventual salary is a reflection of both demand and profitability of the industry one seeks. That is somewhat unfortunate, I guess, but I also think people generally understand that when they begin to pursue degrees in different areas of expertise.

[dsheinem]

I don't necessarily see anything wrong with a fat person being called fat, because it's choice related 99% of the time.

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[Luke]

I think getting into a debate about whether certain fields are easier or tougher, on the whole, is a bit inane.

It's definitely a "nuh-uh!" "uh-huh!" argument.

Smile: Count Chocula and co. were on sale at my local grocer, so I grabbed a few boxes for the trick or treaters who wear the best costumes on Halloween. Kids get a kick out of getting their own box of spooky cereal.

[aaron]

i've just seen too many people cry over being called fat or feeling bad about their body type to let shit like that slide without saying something. and i realize that's a personal thing, so it's all good, whatever.

If someone is reduced to tears for being called what they are, to me that's a good sign they feel guilt over it and should probably do something to change the situation. Plenty of fat guys could care less about getting busted on for their weight also. Fat slobs at Olive Garden inhaling baskets of bread probably could care less whether or not you think they are fat, or slobs for that matter.

Not that I personally go around calling overweight people names or care what they do with themselves, of course. But at the same time I don't necessarily see anything wrong with a fat person being called fat, because it's choice related 99% of the time.

haha okay.

[KitKatCara]

Damn. It's kinda stuffy in here...

My smile: The kid is 2 years old today. We celebrated with Pizza instead of cake, as she has been obsessed with the TMNT (both old and new shows). I can't believe that it's been two years since she's been born. All of us have come a long way.

My frown: Looks like the School board might not call Jinx back. He was told to call tomorrow if nobody contacted him, so he will. He does have a job back at Best Buy, but it's not great. It's something though.

Both of our families are overjoyed that we are 'coming home'. I've got mixed feelings about this though. I really like the city, and sorta feel like I'm going back to small town tar pit. I'm glad that we'll be around family, but at the same time there isn't much to do back home. At least now we have more options open to us that we didn't have before.

Bleh. I have to pack more. We're lost in a maze of boxes. How in the world do we have so much crap in such a small apartment?

[REPO Man]

Found out why I couldn't log in to The Hub. Turns out that when I put in my availability, I didn't do it in the exact window they wanted me to do it, which is the whole of September and I did it around late August, and since I'm inactive I've gotta go through casting in hopes I can get my employment reactivated. I may have to be rehired and go through that whole process again. I should get a call about it later.

My brother's girlfriend's paycheck was $100 less than it should be. It turns out that when she donated a dollar to United Way, it got entered as $100. They're gonna get her that money back (somehow, don't ask) but she'll have to wait until next Thursday at the earliest. What sucks about this is that we still have to make a payment on the van (which is $200 every two weeks), pay for the room ($190 every Friday), we still owe money on the storage unit with all of our stuff in it (which is around $300) and things are just stressful right now.

As usual, any idea I had on a possible solution, if not just some form of help, was shot down. I suggested we sell the flat-screen we kept with us after we moved (instead of putting it in storage), but my brother said that it'd take about a week to sell on Craigslist, and we need the money now, and that pawning it would only get us $40.

Still haven't heard about any of the people I turned in applications to (four businesses in general, which was pretty much lucky since most people aren't hiring right now).

[mjmjr25]

Finally, this thread is back on track.

[Jmustang1968]

I think getting into a debate about whether certain fields are easier or tougher, on the whole, is a bit inane. I think certain places have tougher programs in certain fields over others and that in any field more advanced degrees are going to be increasingly more difficult to attain. But saying that a B.A. is "easier" than a B.S., that an MBA is "easier" than an M.A., etc. is really hard to quantify. Some people are better able to write brilliant prose, others are better at complex equations, some are whizzes at coding, some are able to cultivate a talent for acting, etc. That doesn't make any of these things easier or harder, more or less time consuming, etc.

That said, I absolutely agree that eventual salary is a reflection of both demand and profitability of the industry one seeks. That is somewhat unfortunate, I guess, but I also think people generally understand that when they begin to pursue degrees in different areas of expertise.

Well sure, there are always variables and exceptions. It is tough to speak about every possible one. Some people with BAs make more than many with a BS, but by and large it is represented by the averaged salaries.

The time consuming portion was in reference to one with a bachelors as compared to one with a masters or higher. More time spent in school.

**edit PS: I already had this typed out, be damned if it was going to waste.