Distored/glitchy snes display problem

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Distored/glitchy snes display problem

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I recently started to attempt at fixing a SNES for a friend of mine but he had this problem: strange glitchy display (but still interact-able to some extend) but there seems to be nothing wrong with audio and in some games screen effects. All games I tried I have tried on my own SNES with no problem but when put in my friends SNES.

I've tried cleaning the inside (which was filthy to say it nice), cleaning and bending the connector but both have failed to give any effect. Also apart from the filth pre-cleaning there seems to be nothing wrong internally.



How can this be fixed or is it practically dead?


Some examples:


Starfox (intro)
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F-Zero (start-up)
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Vortex (everything)
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Re: Distored/glitchy snes display problem

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Usually you like to start with the easiest solutions. That being said, are you sure the cart slot is clean? Some times with these older consoles, depending on where and how they were stored, the cart slots will be VERY dirty and possibly even have corrosion.

Here's what I like to do: Use a piece of cardboard or a few thick magazine pages folded together or a cereal box folded together to get the desired thickness (perhaps a little thicker than a SNES PCB). To thick and you can damage the pins. To thin and you wont be able to scrub them enough. Wrap a clean white piece of fabric (like an old white T-shit - something that wont break apart and leave debris in the cart slot) around it, dampen it with some alcohol or electrical contact cleaner, and insert it into the cart slot. Move it up and down several times. Remove it then look at it. If the white fabric is dirty, then you know you need to clean it more. You may have to repeat this process (moving to a clean piece of fabric) several times before it's completely clean.

Put a flash light on the cart slot and see if there's any corrosion in there.

Also, don't forget to clean the smaller outer pins. Star Fox and Vortex both have the Super FX chip which uses those outer pins. You wanna be sure they're clean as well.

And it might go without saying, but make sure the carts too are as clean as possible.

Assuming everything is as clean as could be, there might be a problem with components in the console. I've seen similar problems before, with speculation of the PPU or video RAM going bad. My first SNES (from 92 or 93) has a similar problem, although not nearly as bad. I figure the PPU or RAM is going bad, after reading of similar problems online. If this is the case, there's not much you can do.

Star Fox and Vortex both use the Super FX chip, and F-Zero uses Mode 7 heavily, so these are three games that I guess you could say are graphically taxing for the console. Have you tried any other games, more "normal" games? Something basic like Super Mario World.

I'm not sure if bad capacitors could cause such problems, but I suppose that's another possibility. When you cleaned the inside of the console, overall, how did it look? Maybe take another look inside and see if anything stands out as wrong (bad caps, corrosion, anything obviously damaged).

If you don't already know, you can spot bad caps when the tops of them bulge or even leak/explode.

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When they start to barf (as Hobie likes to put it :lol: ) that's easily noticeable, but also look for any tops that are swelled. And also, it kinda sucks, but you can have bad caps but not be able to visually see that they're bad. People often "recap" old electronics, by that I mean replace every capacitor, but that's kinda a pain in the ass to do if you don't know if that is indeed your problem. Unless you see visually bad caps, I wouldn't know how to tell if that's a cap problem or something else.

I'm sure there's other things to suspect, but if it came down to bad RAM or PPU, those aren't parts that you can just go out and buy. Basically, the only thing you could do is salvage those parts from another broken SNES (broken in another way, of course). And even then, replacing them requires advanced soldering skills.

All that being said, the first thing I would do is be sure the cart slot and carts are 100% clean.
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Re: Distored/glitchy snes display problem

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Then I think its the PPU or RAM.

As I recleaned the cartridge slot with a credit card-esq coupon card, a t-shirt and some connection spray and to be sure switched the pin connectors with my working snes with no luck. And there also seems to be no leaking caps (It looks like to be only one big cap on the whole board).
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Re: Distored/glitchy snes display problem

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Yeah, sounds like the PPU is dead. I have one that' acts similarly. Games start up, sound is fine, and you can even play the games if you can interpret the garbage on screen. But no amount of cleaning or looking at other components yield anything. :(
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Re: Distored/glitchy snes display problem

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That specific electrolytic "can" type of capacitor is only one type of capacitor. There are many kinds, and the SNES has many caps.

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Usually when people recap something, they're just replacing the can caps. I'm sure other kinds of caps can go bad too, probably not as fast. But I'm not a capacitor expert, so I couldn't tell you much more than I already have. :lol:


If the PPU went bad, like I said, the only thing you'd be able to do is replace it with one from another SNES. Most people would agree that it would just be easier to get another working SNES. If this is the choice, just keep in mind that the broken SNES is not worthless. Parts can still be salvaged from it to fix other consoles. Of course, you're not going to get the going rate of a working SNES, but it's not worthless. At least, getting five bucks for it and some one else fixing another console is better than throwing it away. But if you do wish to repair it, broken SNESes can be found pretty easily and usually fairly cheap. The one that sticks in my head was this one I found on eBay that survived a house fire. :lol: The entire outside of the console was blackened and whatnot, and IIRC some parts of it were slightly melted, but it apparently still worked.
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