The Wrestling Thread

[GazongaJoe]

I HATE THE YES AND NO CHANTS!!! It's really hard to take Daniel Bryan (Bryan Daniels) seriously as a championship contender when nearly all of his interviews and promos end up with him yelling YES! and NO! over and over again!

BTW, how freaking hot is Miss Tessmacher?

Sooooo hot.... Want to touch the hiney

[Gamerforlife]

I HATE THE YES AND NO CHANTS!!! It's really hard to take Daniel Bryan (Bryan Daniels) seriously as a championship contender when nearly all of his interviews and promos end up with him yelling YES! and NO! over and over again!

How can you hate them? They are so awesome! They are actually transcending Bryan, much like Austin's what chants. Did you see the crowd doing no chants when Heyman pretended he was going to propose to Rybak? Those chants are the most over thing in the WWE right now. You can't argue with success

The chants are fun because they are usable in any situation. During one of Bryan's pay per view matches the crowd was chanting no every time he took a hit from his opponent. I thought that was hilariously awesome

BTW, how freaking hot is Miss Tessmacher?

Something about her face has never appealed to me. I'd rather Layla or AJ from WWE. They're cuter, even though AJ is kind of skinny. I also like Mickie James. I'd had a thing for Mickie ever since I saw some of those naughty nude photos she did in the past that she likes to not talk about now. Plus, I saw her in some swimsuit competition WWE did pre PG era once and her busty body just blew away every other diva in the ring. My jaw hit the floor. She looked AMAZING



Tessmacher's got nothing on that bod right there Mickie>Tessmacher

[Menegrothx]

They are actually transcending Bryan, much like Austin's what chants.

Not a favorable comparison, most annoying thing since Bill Alfonso's constant whistle blowing.

[Gamerforlife]

They are actually transcending Bryan, much like Austin's what chants.

Not a favorable comparison, most annoying thing since Bill Alfonso's constant whistle blowing.

Yeah, but the crowd at least uses yes/no chants in a way that makes sense, unlike the what chants that just get used for no good reason. The no chants during the Heyman/Rybak segment is a good example

I would agree on one thing though, Bryan doesn't need to work the chants into his promos so much. But it's an easy thing to fall back on when the story he's in doesn't give him much to work with in his promos. I mean they've really been drawing out this Orton/McMahon thing. Even Punk is struggling for new stuff to say about his never ending Heyman feud

Everyone's in a kind of holding pattern right, even the Wyat family. The freshest thing they've got at the moment is the Rhodes story

[BurningDoom]

The Austin "What" chants aren't helping your case any. They were annoying too. Thank god they started towards the tail-end of Austin's WWF run.

And at least in Austin's case, it was funny when he did it. It just got annoying when the crowd did it after every other word a SuperStar uttered.

[RCBH928]

is this guy serious or what?

[TSTR]

is this guy serious or what?

Rant incoming.

He's dead serious. And to an extent (not to tears), I am too. The real/fake discussion always puts me off because these guys and gals are putting their bodies and lives on the line every single time they step into the ring—regardless of the fact that the moves are choreographed and the outcome of the match is predetermined—and that is undeniably real.

The idea that things should be more "real" is a toxic one. When you look at the excesses that came out of the Attitude Era and the rise of ECW and its often derogatorily-termed "garbage" wrestling, it's easy to see how going down that road can only lead to disaster. When wrestling becomes more about bigger, ever-increasingly dangerous spots and seeing how much damage a wrestler can take (see someone like Mick Foley for a huge list of examples), it deteriorates the product in so many ways.

The audience becomes accustomed to seeing these things, and so now a simple hard chop to the chest or a submission hold becomes less of a spectacle compared to something like New Jack going through OVER 9000 tables from the rafters. This pushes the wrestlers to do more dangerous things in matches to get the same pop from the crowd, and in turn causes more trauma to their bodies. From there you get the shortened careers, the brain damage, the drug addictions, and on and on until you end up with, say, super tragic shit like Chris Benoit.

And this isn't just about huge gimmick spots either. The toll that strong-style wrestling can take is real as well. Just ask Mitsuharu Mizawa. Oh wait, you can't, because he died from taking a belly-to-back suplex in the ring after years of wrestling that very style.

This is a ridiculous and disgusting price for human beings to pay for the sake of entertainment, which is what pro wrestling is when boiled down to it. I, for one, am glad that the top promotions are and have been starting to move in the direction of toning down all the stupidly-dangerous things like unprotected chairshots to the head and "hardcore" wrestling. I'd like to think that one day we can reach a point where a well-executed series of comeback punches or an expertly-applied figure-four leglock can once again draw as much excitement from the crowd as Jeff Hardy swan-diving off ladders, but I'm afraid we may have already passed that point.

/rant

[Menegrothx]

What I want to see more is technical reverse based matches, strong style or not. I guess I'm an ADD new school fan so to me those classic 1970s and 1980s matches are super boring, but if there's actual wrestling and genuine looking competition in the ring, it can be just as good as high flying, high impact power moves and TLC stuff. The way Kurt Angle would reverse just about any move to an Angle lock and those reversal turned into a reversal turned into a reversal moves are riveting to watch.

And this isn't just about huge gimmick spots either. The toll that strong-style wrestling can take is real as well. Just ask Mitsuharu Mizawa. Oh wait, you can't, because he died from taking a belly-to-back suplex in the ring after years of wrestling that very style.

Or Dynamite Kid who was a big influence to Chris Benoit and many other wrestlers. He's not dead but he sits in a wheel chair. And to my knowledge no particular bump caused that, just all the injuries, pills and booze caught up to him.

Speaking of extreme stupidity, any one ever seen CZW's Zandig hanging from meat hooks? That is seriously more stupid and facepalm worthy than Gobeldygooker or this. Weedwhacker to the stomach I can understand, but that's just idiotic.

[Gamerforlife]

The Austin "What" chants aren't helping your case any. They were annoying too. Thank god they started towards the tail-end of Austin's WWF run.

And at least in Austin's case, it was funny when he did it. It just got annoying when the crowd did it after every other word a SuperStar uttered.

You guys do realize that the yes/no chants are the reason why WWE is giving Bryan such a huge push? It's basically how the audience is telling WWE that Bryan is their guy and that they want WWE to push him. I think Austin was already massively over and a top guy in the company before he even started the what chants

You guys seem clueless about what's actually going on right now in the WWE. The minute the yes/no chants end, Bryan's push is over and he becomes just some nobody midcarder....kind of like Dolph Ziggler is at the moment

I love the yes/no chants. They've put Daniel Bryan at the top of the ladder where he damn well deserves to be. Those yes/no chants at Summerslam were basically telling WWE, "screw Cena, Daniel Bryan is our champ"

[RCBH928]

Wrestling should be understood to be as an art. It is the art of performing a fighting action between 2 or more opponents in a way to make believe its real while actions performed causes minimum damage.

When you hang yourself with hooks or rub your face against barbwire thats too much. When you are punching the air or executing a pile-driver while the opponent's head is a good 2.5 feet above ground thats not entertaining and that is fake. The 5 minute headlock style is no longer relevant in this era. When that kind of style existed people had to wait for magazine posters to get a picture of their favorite celebrity. It was just exciting enough to see Hogan or Buckland in person. TV had like 4 channels and no youtube. You had to wait a decade until something was released on VHS. A 5 minute headlock in that era was exciting indeed.

Today with Youtube, infinite videogames, tons of video and music enteratinment can be gained for free in illegal ways or to paid for very cheaply, and sports doing worldwide tours covered by media in every way from live TV stations to twitter tweets you really need more than a headlock to grab the people's attention.

I think performing a real hit once in a while or during a PPV is not the issue, the issue is that the WWE makes a wrestling perform 3-4 times a week for 10 years that is only natural to take a toll over your body. I believe soccer players are only allowed to play one match per week maybe 2 when the schedule is heavy. Those are athletes that would run around and kick balls, so what do you think about a sport that is about delivering punches and hits? On the other hand we have feds like CZW that will perform life threatening maneuvers just to grab your attention.

balance is key, but I really see wrestling as a dying sport with the rise of things like UFC. Wrestling will be only good to kids