Wii-U thoughts so far

[FerretGamer]

It's a decent number of exclusives, but games that are 'exclusive' are naturally overrated. How much is an exclusive worth if you can get a similar game experience elsewhere? I have a Wii, and I have Super Mario Bros Wii and DKCR, so looking at their sequels which are safely with in the mold of their predecessors doesn't really feel like a unique experience, if that makes sense.

To be fair, you can say that about other platforms' exclusives as well.

The reality is that most of the 3rd party stuff releases on multiple platforms.

[Cronozilla]

I agree.

I wasn't saying that there is a game or a set of games that are absolute system sellers. You know the games that define a generation. I don't think those are out yet.

What I am saying is the system isn't barren. It's not like there's nothing on it, but that does seem to be how people are framing the platform: A Failing system that has nothing to play and marks the death of Nintendo. It's just stretching poor sales into a larger narrative that isn't true.

In general, I'll have some systems that are automatic buys, just it's a matter of when. But, if I were in the camp of, I wait to see how any given system will play out first ... they have to have some sort of critical mass library. That means there's some of those monument in gaming games there ... but mostly, there's a TON of "good" games that are just fun to play or enjoyable in some way. They don't have to be the best ever made and they don't have to be the most unique thing in the world, but if they can justify the time spent to play them, then I'll consider it.

I think, The Wii U has the latter type of game in abundance and I think the milestone games will be there relatively soon. And on top of that ... the "same old same old" games that are there, are actually some of the best versions. For example, New Super Mario Bros. U, personally, I was like OK, cool, Mario. Whatever. But when I played it ... it's easily the best "New Super" Mario game. The others don't really compare. ZombiU is not the most polished game out there, but it is incredibly unique. NintendoLand is a metric ton more fun than Wii Sports could even imagine being and for people who grew up playing Nintendo games, it's a blast. Then there's Pikmin 3 and other games are dropping down the pipeline ... where it's not really a bad deal.

My opinion, a little deeper, on the matter:

I've also found a lot of people seem to have some vague passing interest/disinterest phases going on. A friend of mine was like, not really motivated to find out more about the system, but wasn't really against it or anything. I sat him down and I just showed him the console, we played just some Nintendo Land and his opinion immediately toppled over into "want". So, I do think there's a lot of this kind of thing going on where ... people are just unsure what the hell this thing is like and Nintendo's current messaging doesn't help and the fact that there aren't playable Kiosks doesn't help either. Or the fact that stores are shoveling all Wii U stuff into the corner right next to the Wii Stuff making it so people don't even pay attention to it.

It just seems to be a larger situation than just ... boo Nintendo advertising. There's a lot of factors ... but I don't think the library is really one of them. I think, honestly, by the end of this year the Wii U's library is going to be a lot stronger than the first year library of most recent consoles. If they keep it up beyond that, then it'll probably turn around once it gets that mass appeal critical mass.

[Violent By Design]

What value does being the best New Super Mario Bros have? The series is famous for the older games, so shouldn't they be the standard? If you said NSMBU is better than the (S)NES ones I'd probably get an erection.

To be fair, you can say that about other platforms' exclusives as well.

The reality is that most of the 3rd party stuff releases on multiple platforms.

It applies to others, but a lot of the big time ips have a bit more 'mystery' in terms of how they'd play. Like we know what a Final Fantasy game is like, but do we really have a good idea on how different FF15 will be?

We've played Sonic games, but Sonic Lost World seems to have enough of a gimmick to make it an interesting experience. The game play seems more unique which makes it feel more exclusive.

A game like Mario Kart 103 doesn't capture that, and it's a large reason why 3D World is also seen as a letdown as opposed to a 'real' Mario game (or what ever nonsense people say about it) even though it will probably be an awesome game.

[CavZee]

What value does being the best New Super Mario Bros have? The series is famous for the older games, so shouldn't they be the standard? If you said NSMBU is better than the (S)NES ones I'd probably get an erection.

To be fair, you can say that about other platforms' exclusives as well.

The reality is that most of the 3rd party stuff releases on multiple platforms.

It applies to others, but a lot of the big time ips have a bit more 'mystery' in terms of how they'd play. Like we know what a Final Fantasy game is like, but do we really have a good idea on how different FF15 will be?

We've played Sonic games, but Sonic Lost World seems to have enough of a gimmick to make it an interesting experience. The game play seems more unique which makes it feel more exclusive.

A game like Mario Kart 103 doesn't capture that, and it's a large reason why 3D World is also seen as a letdown as opposed to a 'real' Mario game (or what ever nonsense people say about it) even though it will probably be an awesome game.

A lot? I'm not seeing it. FFXV is a good example though, I'll give you that at least. The problem with sequels is that it's so hard for the game creators to find the middle ground between just improving over the predecessor and adding new things. The hardest part is knowing when and how to do a major refresh of your series. Some have done this better than others for sure. I think Nintendo has done a reasonable job in this regard, but if you were to argue that it's time for Mario and Zelda to get a big shake-up I wouldn't necessarily disagree.

Let's go back to FFXV. No matter how great or not it turns out to be some people (probably myself included) will be slightly miffed over the fact that it isn't "Final Fantasy". Personally I hope it turns out good, but IMO, Square Enix just isn't the same these days and the series has seen quite a gradual decline in quality following X's release.

[Violent By Design]

I think Nintendo has done a reasonable job in this regard, but if you were to argue that it's time for Mario and Zelda to get a big shake-up I wouldn't necessarily disagree.

But not really with the recent games they've been announcing. I think it is understandable why people do not look at NSMB2 and NSMBU with a "Oh man, I have to have that" kind of attitude, because you can really already experience those games on other modern platforms.

Let's go back to FFXV. No matter how great or not it turns out to be some people (probably myself included) will be slightly miffed over the fact that it isn't "Final Fantasy".

Eh, can't really say. Resident Evil 4 is very different from the games before it, and people embraced it. I mean we know so little about FFXV that it is hard to say, our only clues is that it is a bit more action oriented based on what we knew from Versus.

[CavZee]

I think Nintendo has done a reasonable job in this regard, but if you were to argue that it's time for Mario and Zelda to get a big shake-up I wouldn't necessarily disagree.

But not really with the recent games they've been announcing. I think it is understandable why people do not look at NSMB2 and NSMBU with a "Oh man, I have to have that" kind of attitude, because you can really already experience those games on other modern platforms.

That's what I meant. NSMB should go away (even though I still generally enjoy them) and 3D World is a worthy replacement. Then roll out a new "epic" Mario game in 2-3 years.

Let's go back to FFXV. No matter how great or not it turns out to be some people (probably myself included) will be slightly miffed over the fact that it isn't "Final Fantasy".

Eh, can't really say. Resident Evil 4 is very different from the games before it, and people embraced it. I mean we know so little about FFXV that it is hard to say, our only clues is that it is a bit more action oriented based on what we knew from Versus.

At the time it came out PS2 (since the GameCube was primarily my brother's system) I thought it was a great game. But it really didn't feel like the Resident Evil games I fell in love with. I couldn't have been the only one who thought that as I've seen others on the internet these days say the same. I would even argue it changed the series (and possibly the entire genre) for the worst as time went on. That's another topic entirely though.

[RCBH928]

Its not enough to say "its exclusive" , when people say exclusive they mean games that are worthwhile. While that might be based on personal taste , games like TANK!TANK!TANK are not to be mentioned in the first place. Think of games that are going to make you buy the hardware..

[pepharytheworm]

Its not enough to say "its exclusive" , when people say exclusive they mean games that are worthwhile. While that might be based on personal taste , games like TANK!TANK!TANK are not to be mentioned in the first place. Think of games that are going to make you buy the hardware..

Why should Tank x 3 not be mentioned? Its is a console exclusive to the wii u.... can you go to any arcade and play it? I have never seen one in real life. By the way Tank x3 was one of the reasons I bought the system. I love simple fun arcade games.

[ZeroAX]

Think of games that are going to make you buy the hardware..

Then the Xbone doesn't have any exclusives (at least for me). Would it make much sense for me to say that it sucks because of that? Nope. Just because it isn't your cup of tea, it doesn't mean you can mock other people's interest in it (I'm not saying you mocked right now, but you did kind of say "that doesn't count cause it's not a good game")

[CavZee]

Think of games that are going to make you buy the hardware..

Then the Xbone doesn't have any exclusives (at least for me). Would it make much sense for me to say that it sucks because of that? Nope. Just because it isn't your cup of tea, it doesn't mean you can mock other people's interest in it (I'm not saying you mocked right now, but you did kind of say "that doesn't count cause it's not a good game")

Exactly how I feel. I feel excited for the PS4, but I came to the realization that I was way more interested in the hardware and what it can do as opposed to what we've seen so far software wise.

Watching the big January Nintendo Direct and the E3 one got me a lot more excited than the PS4/Xbone reveals as well as their E3 showings.

Also, all of this over-analyzing of Nintendo's situation around the internet is making my head spin. XD