Metal Heads Assemble!!

[Forlorn Drifter]

That one specifically caught me because it had a Stoned Jesus-esque sound, but with a heavier tone, and complete lack of vocals. It might just be me, but it seemed odd for the time period. I may be wrong there though.

[BurningDoom]

That wasn't aimed at you, it was at Brunoafh who said flat out that Hair Metal isn't metal, which is complete BS.

And what, black metal, power metal, and melodic death metal isn't going outside of the mainstream?

My list wasn't "underground enough" for you? If that's the case, then I guess I do extend that aim to you too. Yeah, I do have a lot of mainstream bands on my list, but bands like Disarmonia Mundi, Dark Tranquility, Nightwish, Insomnium, Amorphis, and Children of Bodom are also on that list and get like zero mainstream attention. I enjoy ALL metal, not just Black Metal, or just Death Metal, or just whatever subgenre. That's a VERY limited way to sample metal.

They get a lot more wide exposure than you might realize. Shit just taking Children of Bodom as an example, Alexi Laiho is plastered all over guitar magazines (or at least he was a few years ago, I haven't looked in a while.) Nightwish are absolutely huge, even my friggin' cousin is into them. Dark Tranquility are one of the "big three" of Melodic Death (along with At The Gates and In Flames). I could go on, but the point I'm trying to make is that these bands are all actually very popular. Some of it might be considered "underground," but it's very "entry level" stuff.

If that observation makes me elitist, oh well.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that we only sample specific subgenres, because that's not the case at all.

...but you can like what you want. Nothing against that, you go enjoy yourself.

Hair metal isn't a "clearly defined and recognized subgenre," it's an umbrella term describing a wide variety of (mostly American) bands with a particular image. It encompasses some legit heavy metal acts (WASP), and it encompasses some rock acts like Poison.

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I don't know about you, but I am absolutely sick of this discussion at this point. All I was trying to do was point out that Metal is still healthy, and Burningdoom wanted to harp on about the 80s.

Right, Children of Bodom is totally mainstream. I hear them on the radio right after Nicki Manaj all the time.

Okay, I may be stretching that a bit. But at the same time, I have never even heard Children of Bodom on a radio station geared towards metal. You have to go out and search them out in the CD section (if your lucky) or go online and listen to them.

To me a mainstream metal band would be Disturbed, Mudvayne, or Five Finger Death Punch. Bands that actually make it to the top 20 and get radio play. That's mainstream. And a lot people have never even heard of Disarmonia Mundi, Insomnium, and Scar Symmetry, to name some others I REALLY enjoy.

And no, it wasn't to harp on the 80s. I was just wanting to point that metal isn't only underground. The last couple posts focused on the 80s to counter Brunoafh's ri-god-damn-diculous claim that hair metal isn't metal, it most certainly is. It started in the L.A. club scene, and exploded from there. It's all been clearly documented through the years. Yes there's poser bands, but that's true of any genre. If that's you're guys' reasoning for not including hair metal/glam metal, then you might as well throw the rest of the sub-genres in there, too.

[AppleQueso]

I don't know about you, but I am absolutely sick of this discussion at this point. All I was trying to do was point out that Metal is still healthy, and Burningdoom wanted to harp on about the 80s.

[Forlorn Drifter]

So guys, how about, to change gears, I could get some power metal recommendations?

More USPM preferable, but I'll take Euro if it isn't too... sugary? Idk, I can just say certain ones are too out there for me.

[AppleQueso]

So guys, how about, to change gears, I could get some power metal recommendations?

More USPM preferable, but I'll take Euro if it isn't too... sugary? Idk, I can just say certain ones are too out there for me.

My Power Metal-fu is kinda weak, but I'll give it a shot:

how about Helstar?


Their material gets thrashier the later you go, btw.

[Forlorn Drifter]

My Power Metal-fu is kinda weak, but I'll give it a shot:

how about Helstar?


Their material gets thrashier the later you go, btw.

Already know them, listen pretty often.

Power metal is kinda like thrash.People only like the big names, or they only like stuff from bands who released one album in the 80's then broke up because the base player was getting all the girls. (Or something like that.)

Just a case of digging.

[BurningDoom]

So guys, how about, to change gears, I could get some power metal recommendations?

More USPM preferable, but I'll take Euro if it isn't too... sugary? Idk, I can just say certain ones are too out there for me.

Some of my favorites:

-Blind Guardian
-Demons & Wizards (made of members of both Iced Earth and Blind Guardian)
-Hammerfall
-Iced Earth (one of my all-time favorite bands, period)
-Symphony X

And while Dio may not be straight Power Metal, he was a big influence for the genre, and is more than worth listening to.

[AppleQueso]

My Power Metal-fu is kinda weak, but I'll give it a shot:

how about Helstar?


Their material gets thrashier the later you go, btw.

Already know them, listen pretty often.

Power metal is kinda like thrash.People only like the big names, or they only like stuff from bands who released one album in the 80's then broke up because the base player was getting all the girls. (Or something like that.)

Just a case of digging.

Like I said, my power metal-fu is kinda weak. What can I say?

Oh I know, how about Slaughter Xtroyes?

[brunoafh]

And no, it wasn't to harp on the 80s. I was just wanting to point that metal isn't only underground. The last couple posts focused on the 80s to counter Brunoafh's ri-god-damn-diculous claim that hair metal isn't metal, it most certainly is. It started in the L.A. club scene, and exploded from there. It's all been clearly documented through the years. Yes there's poser bands, but that's true of any genre. If that's you're guys' reasoning for not including hair metal/glam metal, then you might as well throw the rest of the sub-genres in there, too.

It's not "ri-god-damn-diculous", and you need to get over the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your point of view when it comes to discussing music. Getting aggressive/offended like this completely ruins any potential discussion, and at this point it's obnoxious. If you see hair/glam as metal then that's fine, really, but you don't have to shove it in the face of everyone that doesn't agree with you. I have a very specific idea of what I consider to be metal based on years of playing in various rock bands from alt to hard rock to melodeath to hardcore, and and to me hair/glam is simply not metal. I look at it from a purely musical standpoint, and am mostly applying how I've felt about playing, learning, performing, and dissecting various forms of rock music for the longer half of my life. I hate to drag this conversation on, but I feel like you're calling me out. I guess if that makes me pathetic and elitist, oh well, I have surely been called worse things for less.

Forlorn Drifter, I would suggest some power metal, but it's really not my thing. The Euro bands are the best at it really, which isn't saying a whole lot. I would rather steer someone in the direction of neo-classical, which basically takes all the musicianship that makes power metal appealing and removes the vocal aspect. If you're interested in that I could make suggestions.

[AppleQueso]

Forlorn Drifter, I would suggest some power metal, but it's really not my thing. The Euro bands are the best at it really, which isn't saying a whole lot. I would rather steer someone in the direction of neo-classical, which basically takes all the musicianship that makes power metal appealing and removes the vocal aspect. If you're interested in that I could make suggestions.

I don't know if I'd say the "Euro bands are the best at it," but I guess it depends on what "flavor" of Power Metal that we're talking about.

USPM is usually referring to the bands like Manilla Road, Jag Panzer, Fates Warning (kinda), etc. It's fairly distinct from the more well known european style. I definitely prefer it to the euro stuff, but it's not something I listen to super often anyway.