Wii-U thoughts so far

[CavZee]

I have never played any Pikmin games either, and yes I do plan on changing that....


eventually. >_<

[RCBH928]

The best 50 Wii games aren't better than the 50 best 360/PS3 games, but there are still a lot of good Wii games. They have a nice collection of 3rd party exclusives.

You see that is exactly the problem , with 50 games better on the 360/ps3 , that will leave a very little time and money to buy a Wii console for its few other good games. One might argue that the Wii sold more, yes , but its not because of the games we all know its because of the motion control novelty. If the Wii had a gamecube controller and the same games the results would have been very very different. In 2006 , it was jaw dropping to move your hand the console would respond to you.

"ou can browse the whole internet and will find the same complaints , something you wouldn't hear much of in '96 ."

Probably because not many people used the internet in 1996.

Actually, from my digging around in old usenet postings from around then, there was PLENTY of Nintendo bashing.

That is ok, all consoles get bashed one way or another. Most of the Nintendo bashing was probably because they lost their status on the top of the competition/Kept cartridge/and lost exclusives like FF7 .

But this does not deny the fact that the 64 had one of the best/or the best/ exclusive games released all new IPs or revolutionizing an older franchise. PSX owners were probably itching to play Mairo 64, GoldenEye (best multiplayer game in that era?) , the 3D zelda, Conker , Ogre Battle, Turok, or Blast Corps. I really cant say any PS3/360 owner is itching to play WarioWare , Little King, or the ps2 port Okami. Again , the last batch by end of the Wii;s life time were probably worthwhile like Pandora but its a bit too late.

@Ziggy

We have seen this many times before, a company holding so hard on one thing that made them rich refusing to changing and then facing downfall. Its happen now with the BlackBerry service, with Nokia handsets, DukeNukem , Kodak with film photography, Polariod . We do not want to see Nintendo walking that path. Trust me, there are still BBM, Nokia, and Polariod fans but where are these companies standing?

As for Miyamoto , 1 new series is not going to cut it. I just wen to Gamespot and I counted about 10 new IPs that didn't exist in past generations on the top 20-30 list. I went to the Wii It has Gamecube/ps2 ports and call of duty: black ops in its top list.

The Wii U is in its first year, and current sales will not tell us how it will turn out in the future. But we are speculating , based on hardware/price/and game selection where it is heading. I really do not think the up coming titles like the slow selling Bayonetta, Wind Waker remake, and Wii U party is going to make people say "You know what? I really rather put $350 in the Wii U. It has better game selection the the $400 ps4. Even if the ps4 can be doubled as a Bluray player and has much better graphics and storage capacity".

btw, there are still people who would like to play Shenmue.

[Violent By Design]

But this does not deny the fact that the 64 had one of the best/or the best/ exclusive games released all new IPs or revolutionizing an older franchise. PSX owners were probably itching to play Mairo 64, GoldenEye (best multiplayer game in that era?) , the 3D zelda, Conker , Ogre Battle, Turok, or Blast Corps. I really cant say any PS3/360 owner is itching to play WarioWare , Little King, or the ps2 port Okami. Again , the last batch by end of the Wii;s life time were probably worthwhile like Pandora but its a bit too late.

I think you're really stretching it here. The n64 gets a ton of criticism for its lack of games. Goldeneye the best multiplayer game? For people who were allergic to computers I guess (which in the 90s was a lot).

The entire Nintendo is a Zelda and Mario box started with the n64. And to be honest, both the Gamecube and Wii have better software (and much better third party support) than the n64. Yes, this is an opinion before someone points that out for some arbitrary reason.

PSX owners weren't begging to play Ogre Battle or Blast Corps at all, those games were not even popular back then (and PSX owners had Ogre Battle games of their own plus more strategy RPGs).

The only big advantage the n64 had is that it was better for multiplayer because it came with 4 ports, where PSX needed a multitap and not many games supported 4 player well. Coincidentally , the Wii-U is 5 players with out an excess need of support.

The Wii-U didn't start with a "killer ip", we're aware of this. But it's too early to say that it's not going to have any games that will attract the audience. Using the n64 to highlight when Nintendo was at its prime is counter-productive because n64 was probably Nintendo's biggest decline in terms of quality.

[Jmustang1968]

I think many bought the 64 based on the SNES and its popularity. While many loved their 64, others didn't and it was reflected on the gamecube. I know after my overall feeling of unsatisfaction and wishing I had a PS1 led me to get a PS2 first. I actually didn't own a gamecube until a few years ago.

[CavZee]

I enjoyed my PS1 and PS2 more than I did my N64 (which I never had many games for) and my GameCube. This generation is a lot harder for me to say which I preferred tbh. But nonetheless I'm glad I was able to experience all of them and would hate to have missed out on any of the games I had a blast with.

[RCBH928]

I think you're really stretching it here. The n64 gets a ton of criticism for its lack of games. Goldeneye the best multiplayer game? For people who were allergic to computers I guess (which in the 90s was a lot).

The entire Nintendo is a Zelda and Mario box started with the n64. And to be honest, both the Gamecube and Wii have better software (and much better third party support) than the n64. Yes, this is an opinion before someone points that out for some arbitrary reason.

PSX owners weren't begging to play Ogre Battle or Blast Corps at all, those games were not even popular back then (and PSX owners had Ogre Battle games of their own plus more strategy RPGs).

The only big advantage the n64 had is that it was better for multiplayer because it came with 4 ports, where PSX needed a multitap and not many games supported 4 player well. Coincidentally , the Wii-U is 5 players with out an excess need of support.

The Wii-U didn't start with a "killer ip", we're aware of this. But it's too early to say that it's not going to have any games that will attract the audience. Using the n64 to highlight when Nintendo was at its prime is counter-productive because n64 was probably Nintendo's biggest decline in terms of quality.

Just to be clear, I did not mean the N64 was the better console over the PSX or had bigger selection. My point was that the N64 had better exclusives and new IPs (That had high scores and sold millions) over the Wii.

1) I honestly do not remember a multiplayer game that was more popular than goldeneye 007. I do not count PC as a console competitor , to me its more like trucks vs sedans. According to wikipedia , only 2 games outsold 007 on the PSX which were Gran Turismo 1+2 , I know its unreliable but its just to give an idea. I doubt anything on Saturn or Dreamcast was more popular
since the game sold just as many as Dreamcast OR Saturn units sold (10m each) .
Even if we count PCs , 007 was released in '97 where we had 56k modems. I am not sure how many people used to play online (in the millions?!) and how good was the modem for online gameplay? We can include LAN parties but lets be honest, it was very inconvenient to take your desktop with you to a friends house and the monitor to make a LAN.

2) My opinion is different, the Gamecube might have had better games and wider selection, but the Wii does not. It has MORE games , but not better. Its opinion based , yes, but the top 10-20 list of Wii games any where probably has last gen. games like RE4 and Okami, not to mention non exclusives like Rayman Origins. If you had a psx there was a lot of reason to own an N64 , if you are a ps3 owner today there is very little reason you would want a Wii unless you are a Nintendo fanboy who must play any Mario game . Even worthwhile games like Xenoblade and Monster Hunter probably has equal or better alternatives on the ps3.

3) I did not say "begging" , that is a stretch, I said itching..meaning they really liked to play those games . Blast Corps had a high score and it was very fresh and a new IP. It might not have sold well but it was another good reason to push you for an N64 buy. Again this is NOT N64 vs PSX. Its that N64 had better exclusives and new IPs than the Wii for its time.

4) The Wii U supports 5 multiplayer games, but where are the games? We have to wait and see. The Wii had Wii Sport and Mario Kart that were worthwhile as 4 players . In addition , the Wii U has 1 controller and you have to buy the other 4 wiimotes at $25 each on Amazon($100) and if a multiplayer game needs a nunchuck too thats additional 4 nunchucks making the total investment for multiplayer $168.

5) The Wii U is just starting and IT IS not fair to compare it to the N64's life time , but it is fair to compare it to the Wii which was my point (and my believe that the Wii U will follow in its steps but we still can't judge) . N64 was probably the biggest decline in SALES for Nintendo , but not QUALITY . Plus I used the N64 just because some one here mentioned that the Gamecube and N64 did not have good 3rd party support and still made it , so the Wii U will make it too. I was pointing out that the n64 maybe did not have great 3rd party support but it had great exclusives and new IPs not another Mario Bros , but with a new twist.... Just Luigi.

[isiolia]

I think many bought the 64 based on the SNES and its popularity.

The N64 came out swinging in a lot of ways. It had arcade hype from Killer Instinct and Cruisin' USA, Mario 64 at launch (and stuff like Goldeneye and Zelda that wound up being similarly ahead of their time).

Not that the PS1 or Saturn lacked for potential at launch either, but there was little reason to doubt the N64 out of the gate. Obviously, looking at them in retrospect is different.

Personally, I see the N64 as an earlier example of Nintendo basically designing a system around what they wanted to do with first-party games, not winning them many points with third parties. 'course, with the Gamecube being the major exception since then, and being their lowest selling home console, can you really blame them for the mentality?

[fastbilly1]

1) I honestly do not remember a multiplayer game that was more popular than goldeneye 007. I do not count PC as a console competitor , to me its more like trucks vs sedans. According to wikipedia , only 2 games outsold 007 on the PSX which were Gran Turismo 1+2 , I know its unreliable but its just to give an idea. I doubt anything on Saturn or Dreamcast was more popular
since the game sold just as many as Dreamcast OR Saturn units sold (10m each) .
Even if we count PCs , 007 was released in '97 where we had 56k modems. I am not sure how many people used to play online (in the millions?!) and how good was the modem for online gameplay? We can include LAN parties but lets be honest, it was very inconvenient to take your desktop with you to a friends house and the monitor to make a LAN.

As inconvenient as you think it was, many people did and still do lug everything around for LAN parties. My first dedicated gaming rig was made specifically for that purpose. As for internet speeds, the dialup boom was 93, by 97 cable modems were available in most major cities at decent prices. And if you want to count numbers both sold roughly the same amount, the difference is that Half Life is still being bought now.

The feature point of my gaming room will be its dedicated LAN.

[Violent By Design]

Just to be clear, I did not mean the N64 was the better console over the PSX or had bigger selection. My point was that the N64 had better exclusives and new IPs (That had high scores and sold millions) over the Wii.

1) I honestly do not remember a multiplayer game that was more popular than goldeneye 007. I do not count PC as a console competitor , to me its more like trucks vs sedans. According to wikipedia , only 2 games outsold 007 on the PSX which were Gran Turismo 1+2 , I know its unreliable but its just to give an idea. I doubt anything on Saturn or Dreamcast was more popular
since the game sold just as many as Dreamcast OR Saturn units sold (10m each) .
Even if we count PCs , 007 was released in '97 where we had 56k modems. I am not sure how many people used to play online (in the millions?!) and how good was the modem for online gameplay? We can include LAN parties but lets be honest, it was very inconvenient to take your desktop with you to a friends house and the monitor to make a LAN.

To put things in perspective, Diablo, Warcraft 2 and Quake 2 had all come out either before Goldeneye or at the same time. All three of those games are much better than Goldeneye (obviously this is subjective, but from my personal experience) and all 3 of those games were very popular PC titles.

Yes, a lot of people played online games in 97. To let you know, Half-Life and Tribes came out only in 98, we're not talking about the stone ages here. And yes, Lan parties were popular. The only reason why some PC games do not seem as popular to other gamers is because PC and Console gamers were even more segregated today than they are now. Someone who grew up a console gamer would not have the slightest idea how the PC gaming market was,

2) My opinion is different, the Gamecube might have had better games and wider selection, but the Wii does not. It has MORE games , but not better. Its opinion based , yes, but the top 10-20 list of Wii games any where probably has last gen.

So...? Games are games. RE4 is a different experience on the Wii than it is on GC or PS2. Why does that even matter lol? RE4 was one of the best games on the PS2 which has the deepest library of any console, why wouldn't a better version for the Wii seek praise? There are plenty of underrated games that do not get mentioned in top 10 or 20 list for the Wii.

Why not compare the top 30 Wii games vs the top 30 n64 games? Top 40? Top 50? Top 100? The n64 gets blown out the water. The n64 is a 'top heavy' system, and I could use the "unless you're a nintendo fanboy, there is no reason to get a___" phrase to describe the n64 perfectly.

The console is largely defined by Ocarina of Time and Mario 64, whether it deserves to be or not, those are the two games that people correlate with the system. Many people who do not care about the N64 will say that those are the only two games worth playing (which I dont agree with, but I've heard a ton of people who have PSX's summarize like that).

not to mention non exclusives like Rayman Origins.

Non-exclusives is what the Wii is criticized for not having in the first place. That same "non exclusive" is a better game than nearly every n64 game made. The same non-exclusive barely even gets acknowledged on top 10-20 Wii list because it is multiplat, which if anything shows that most list about the Wii are not well thought out.

If you had a psx there was a lot of reason to own an N64 , if you are a ps3 owner today there is very little reason you would want a Wii unless you are a Nintendo fanboy who must play any Mario game . Even worthwhile games like Xenoblade and Monster Hunter probably has equal or better alternatives on the ps3.

If we're bringing the alternatives as an argument, then if you had a PSX there were not a lot of reasons to own the n64. The phrase "a lot" does not go with the n64 at all, the n64 had very little titles. The typical gamer identifies the n64 by Zelda and Mario, that is not a lot of reasons (and there are alternatives on the PSX for those).

The PS3 does not have a game that is like Monster Hunter to my knowledge.

3) I did not say "begging" , that is a stretch, I said itching..meaning they really liked to play those games . Blast Corps had a high score and it was very fresh and a new IP. It might not have sold well but it was another good reason to push you for an N64 buy. Again this is NOT N64 vs PSX. Its that N64 had better exclusives and new IPs than the Wii for its time.

I don't get how you can say a game like Little King's Story does not count because it is not popular, but Blast Corps does because it had high marks it counts. That is a double standard, and Little King's Story got better ratings than Blast Corps did.

4) The Wii U supports 5 multiplayer games, but where are the games? We have to wait and see. The Wii had Wii Sport and Mario Kart that were worthwhile as 4 players . In addition , the Wii U has 1 controller and you have to buy the other 4 wiimotes at $25 each on Amazon($100) and if a multiplayer game needs a nunchuck too thats additional 4 nunchucks making the total investment for multiplayer $168.

The Sonic racing game and Nintendo land are fully functional 5 player games. The Wii-U is not even a year old yet, how many good four player games were for the n64 in its first year?

Zero.

In fact, how many games did the n64 even have its launch year?

If you studied the actual roster list for like a half hour, you could literally recite its entire library in its first 8 months which is about where the Wii-U is at its life span.

And yes, buying 4 controllers w/nunchucks is expensive, but that's not something that is a Wii-U problem. If you had 4 controllers for the Wii, you can use the same exact set for a new gen, so you're getting more bang for your buck then you are willing to admit.

EDIT: I am exaggerating a bit, since the n64 had Mario Kart around the same time the Wii-U is at currently. Which at this point in time Wii-U already has a kart racer (that is probably better than Mario Kart) and has already announced and showed footage of an up and coming Mario Kart.

5) The Wii U is just starting and IT IS not fair to compare it to the N64's life time , but it is fair to compare it to the Wii which was my point (and my believe that the Wii U will follow in its steps but we still can't judge) . N64 was probably the biggest decline in SALES for Nintendo , but not QUALITY . Plus I used the N64 just because some one here mentioned that the Gamecube and N64 did not have good 3rd party support and still made it , so the Wii U will make it too. I was pointing out that the n64 maybe did not have great 3rd party support but it had great exclusives and new IPs not another Mario Bros , but with a new twist.... Just Luigi.

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The n64 was certainly Nintendo's biggest decline in quality. Compare the n64's library to the SNES? How is that not a huge decline in quality? Compare it to the NES, still a huge decline if you ask me.

Comparing the Wii to the GC? I don't see there being as big of a difference. I mean you think the n64 is closer to the SNES in quality than Wii is to GC? I'd like to hear more about your opinion on that.

[CavZee]

The n64 is a 'top heavy' system, and I could use the "unless you're a nintendo fanboy, there is no reason to get a___" phrase to describe the n64 perfectly.

The console is largely defined by Ocarina of Time and Mario 64, whether it deserves to be or not, those are the two games that people correlate with the system. Many people who do not care about the N64 will say that those are the only two games worth playing (which I dont agree with, but I've heard a ton of people who have PSX's summarize like that).

This is generally how I view the N64. It's great games are REALLY great, but once you take a step down from them what is there? Seems there's alot of searching for "hidden gems" when it comes to talking about the N64 library.The Gamecube improved alot in that regard and the Wii even more so. Where will the U fall? Time will tell I suppose, but there's quite a few games that have captured my interest and I'm glad I own one because of that.