Wii-U thoughts so far

[Cronozilla]

The Dreamcast didn't fail because of the library. It was because they didn't make money on hardware or software.

Nintendo hasn't really had that issue before and they don't have it now. They just don't have high sales. It's a different problem entirely.

[CavZee]

And as long as the 3DS stays a hot product then they won't have that problem in then long run.

[RCBH928]

I am sorry I mislead some, I said Nintendo reminds of Sega in the sense of not letting go of their franchises like Sega kept pushing for Sonic even though it didn't really workout in 3D. I did not mean Nintendo's Wii U is facing the same fate as the Sega Dreamcast.

@ZenErik

I beg to differ , here are some system sellers at least for me
N64: RE2 , Shadow of the Empire, Wrestling Games , Banjo kazooie/Tooie , Conker, Perfect Dark/Golden Eye, Killer Instinct, Blast Corps

GameCube: Eternal Darkness, Geist , Resident Evils/RE 4(remake was important enough) , Battalion Wars, TimeSplitters, Beyond Good and Evil ,Viewtiful Joe, Metal Gear remake, Killer 7 , Freedom Fighters, Alien Hominid , Spartan total warrior ,

Wii: I said this many times, novelty sold this console and the fact that it was priced almost half the of the 360. As for games, I own one for about 5-6 years now . I stil do not find a games worthwhile on this console (outside the Nintendo franchises which I am tired of) . In fact, Red Steel still is my favorite game on this console.

Some game like Zack and Wiki , Boom Blox, and MadWorld just do not cut it as a competitor for the ps3/360 selection.

All of these games were not Mario or Zelda or Donkey Kong, Even if Nintendo was a publisher of them it enforces my point that they need new IPs

@CavZee

Yes, the games are the redeeming factor of this console, but that factor is getting weaker and weaker. I am willing to bet a lot more people want Halo, COD, GTA, than another Mario game.

I do not care if they keep the old franchises, but if they keep ONLY the old franchises I think this is trouble for Nintendo, at least on the console division. As for handhelds, I dunno I really see the new smartphone eating big time into that market.I am not looking at the up-coming November , I am looking at November 2016 .

I do agree with you that they should push for new IPs like you said , and TW101 is the right way to go. As for Bayonetta, I heard that game didn't sell well any way on ps3/360 so not sure if it is a plus or not. Even then I think Sega will just release Bayonetta 3 on One/PS4 that will be superior to the B2 .

@Coronozilla

I agree, but 3rd party quitting on Dreamcast like EA was part of its demis not the only reason. Again I said Nintendo is similar to Sega in the sense that they are not letting go of their old franchises. Seriously , what was the last new IP created under the Nintendo brand?

[Ziggy]

I usually bite my tongue on such topics and try to hide my fanboyism as much as possible, but it's getting harder. All of a sudden I've noticed a huge explosion of flak toward Nintendo. It's just getting annoying to me since most of them are opinion based.

As for the numbers things, specifically the Wii U sales, I think it's a very pointless thing to discuss. Other than the assumption "more sales = better or more popular console," the number of consoles sold doesn't really mean anything to us. Especially for the Wii U since it's only been out roughly a year.

I'd also like to remind people that the USA is still in a recession and there's probably plenty of people that will buy a Wii U but can not yet afford to. I'm a 26 year old living on Long Island. I've been itching to get a U but businesses are stingy and jobs aren't paying good at all. I haven't gotten a raise in a good 2 years now at my first job and haven't had work at my other job since early this year. I'm willing to bet there's plenty of people like me out there. So yeah, discussing numbers just seems silly to me. The number of consoles sold doesn't tell the whole picture, especially for a console that hasn't been out long.

Wii: As for games, I own one for about 5-6 years now . I stil do not find a games worthwhile on this console (outside the Nintendo franchises which I am tired of) .

That's all your opinions and personal tastes in games.

Yes, the games are the redeeming factor of this console, but that factor is getting weaker and weaker.

Again, that's just your opinion.

I am willing to bet a lot more people want Halo, COD, GTA, than another Mario game.

And a lot more people will be trading in their copies of Halo 5, CoD 12 and GTA 7 than the Mario games.

I do not care if they keep the old franchises, but if they keep ONLY the old franchises I think this is trouble for Nintendo, at least on the console division.

I'd like to think they know what they're doing up in the high offices of Nintendo. If the numbers don't make sense, I don't think they'd be making game after game of the same series.

Personally, I love it. For the SNES, N64 and GCN we only got one major Mario release. I was very happy to get Galaxy 2. And I'm happy we have great Mario spin offs besides Mario Kart that aren't just sports games or such (New SMB, and now Super Mario 3D Land/World). I'm a fan, and that's exactly what I wanted.

My point is, just because you personally don't want to see more of the same first party Nintendo series doesn't mean anything, and it certainly doesn't mean Nintendo is heading down the tubes.

For all other Nintendo complaints, I direct your attention to the Rev Hates Nintendo thread.

[CavZee]

First off, it hasn't even been out a year yet. So a little patience is neccesary of course. By November 2016 there will undoubtedly be plenty of great games to be had on the system. You pointed out some great Dreamcast games and that thing was only on market for a little over 2 years.

The original Bayonetta didn't sell all that well, which is why SEGA was content with letting it die. In steps Nintendo, who not only funds this but also TW101.
That's two exclusive games from (arguably) one of the best and most fresh Japanese dev teams.

And as far as Halo, CoD, and GTA being more of a system seller than Nintendo's stuff....that will vary from person to person.

Look, Nintendo will come in third place this generation and that's pretty evident. But for me and many others there will be plenty of great experiencesto be had along the wway that will make it worthwhile.

Also, most of the current era mainstream big budget blockbusters don't really appeal to me as much lately. I think it's great to have another option that's truly different. The serious gamers will want to play great games wherever they are, so as long as their games are well made they'll do fine.

Oh, and if you can't find good games to play on the Wii than you're probably not looking hard enough. I'm pretty sure most people believe the Wii has a stronger and at the very least more unique library than the Gamecube.

And yes, the negativity towards Nintendo is getting a bit unbearable and I'm a relatively new fan of theirs believe it or not. If you dont find their games or systems appealing so be it, but just leave it at that.

[wclem]

I have actually begun to see the Wii as having way more good games than I thought they had. The big three that came our way were great, with Xenoblade, Last Story and Pandora. I have actually found 40-50 worth my time games. Truthfully, more than the 360 and almost as many as the PS3. I have been in error as to the quality of the Wii games till recent. It is a shame I found out too late.

[Ziggy]

I have actually begun to see the Wii as having way more good games than I thought they had. The big three that came our way were great, with Xenoblade, Last Story and Pandora. I have actually found 40-50 worth my time games. Truthfully, more than the 360 and almost as many as the PS3. I have been in error as to the quality of the Wii games till recent. It is a shame I found out too late.

+1. I have maybe two dozen Wii games, with about half of them being first party games, and I've only recently realized that there's possibly a ton of gems. After reading and digging a little, I've already had to add several Wii games to my want list and a lot more to me "look into further" list. I picture myself experiencing undiscovered (by myself) Wii games in the future the way we do now with the NES or SNES or Genesis (for examples).

[CavZee]

I have actually begun to see the Wii as having way more good games than I thought they had. The big three that came our way were great, with Xenoblade, Last Story and Pandora. I have actually found 40-50 worth my time games. Truthfully, more than the 360 and almost as many as the PS3. I have been in error as to the quality of the Wii games till recent. It is a shame I found out too late.

I too probably own more Wii games than PS3 now too. If you were to tell me that in 2008 I would laugh you out of town, lol. I was an ignorant "Wii hater" and primarily a PS fanboy back then. I always enjoyed Nintendo stuff before then, but I guess I was "too cool" for them by the time the PS3 came out. Man, have I grown up since then. So many great exclusives I missed that I'm still catching up on. My tastes as a gamer have certainly diversified alot lately and I owe a lot of that to falling in love with Nintendo again. I think I own 58 Wii games, all purchased in the last two years. Backlogs are awesome (and suck xD).

Also, this is mainly a retro gaming forum and Nintendo is easily the most "retro" out of all the current console makers.

[wclem]

To be honest, I bet if you sat down and added it up you would find that the Wii probably had about the same percentage of quality titles as PS3 and IMHO better than 360. I love the PS3 and 360 is ok for a person who is not a Halo/FPS fan as there are not a huge amount of title outside of those.

I really think that if you took the Wii-mote out and made all games classic controller compatible that you would win more people over with games. I just really believe the Wii-mote is a turn off to a lot of people. I dont think they took the system seriously, more of a toy. Also it got a rep as being for 8 yr olds and grandma's.

[CavZee]

To be honest, I bet if you sat down and added it up you would find that the Wii probably had about the same percentage of quality titles as PS3 and IMHO better than 360. I love the PS3 and 360 is ok for a person who is not a Halo/FPS fan as there are not a huge amount of title outside of those.

I really think that if you took the Wii-mote out and made all games classic controller compatible that you would win more people over with games. I just really believe the Wii-mote is a turn off to a lot of people. I dont think they took the system seriously, more of a toy. Also it got a rep as being for 8 yr olds and grandma's.

There's been this perception since the N64 days that Nintendo does "kiddy" games and not much else. This perception has grown and grown into sort've a stigma against the brand itself. This isn't entirely fair of course, but it's just the way the world works. Perception becomes reality in people's minds. The same could even be said about the 360. I'm not a Microsoft fan in the slightest but the perception is that the 360 is only for dudebros and is a shooter box? Is this reality? Not quite. I know I bought one to play Alan Wake, Ace Combat 6, and some exclusive JRPGs to name dome examples.

There's a multitude of negative perceptions that has led to Nintendo being an easy target for haters. The Wii U is just the latest.