What are you playing?

[isiolia]

Most new WRPGs are bad when compared to older WRPGs. People who've only played 2-4/10 games think that 6-7/10 games are great. But those who've played 9-10/10 games, the same 6-7/10 games look underwhelming.

Could also be that the more experienced players have simply seen the same general tropes repeated. So, even if newer games are basically doing the same things, they'd have a harder time capturing the imagination. Same for mechanics - learn a couple systems in-depth, and later ones may come to you more easily, even if they aren't simple per se.

Play an MMO for years, and it's a lot harder to approach a new one with the eyes-wide-open naivete you had for the first, as an example.

[Menegrothx]

Could also be that the more experienced players have simply seen the same general tropes repeated. So, even if newer games are basically doing the same things, they'd have a harder time capturing the imagination. Same for mechanics - learn a couple systems in-depth, and later ones may come to you more easily, even if they aren't simple per se.

Play an MMO for years, and it's a lot harder to approach a new one with the eyes-wide-open naivete you had for the first, as an example.

Many of the classics I personally love and praise I didn't play until 2011-2013. If you're ever going to be reviewer or write articles, you should learn to distinguish "objective goodness" from personal fondness. I have a lot of patience to play through mediocre 1990s platformers and less than stellar retro games in general and I can find enjoyment in that. Would I recommend those games to any one who isn't an active retro gamer? No. Would I recommend the actual gems like Klonoa, Oddworld, Rocket Knight Adventures etc to people who don't play much platformers/retro games? Hell yes.
Btw that's another feature you should possess when discussing these things (knowing that some games are only good under certain terms, and should be recommended with an asterisk for a more specific audience)

So far I can say that atleast when it comes to PC games released between 1995 and 2002 (not just RPGs), not one of those really hyped games has disappointed me when I put effort into them and played them from start to finish - I found them thoroughly enjoyable. A lot of really hyped modern games I find underwhelming. This isn't because of nostalgia or because I'm a retro gamer or anything like that. It's just because the old games in question, even if ugly and technically limited, are more well designed, written and have more imagination (like with the term art, this one is very subjective so apologies). Because people still after all these years remember those games and recommend them, it means they've stood the test of time and can still offer something modern games can't.

[BurningDoom]

I said that the general consensus amongst RPG fans is that Oblivion is bad.

No it's not. It's just you're opinion.

The fact that you're trying to prove that me and many other gamers aren't true RPG gamers somehow, is just screaming that you are narrow-minded about your gaming. A release date has nothing to do with whether a game is good or not.

Like I said, I've played many games on many consoles and and continue to do so. These insinuations that I'm not a true gamer somehow are frankly getting insulting. The list of a few games were just a few of my top favorite RPGs. I could give you long list of RPGs I've played through, but I think I'm just arguing with someone with a closed-mind about his narrow views of RPGs, so I'm sure you'd find every single one of them not RPGs by your standards no matter how many I list.

I mean how freaking ridiculous are you? Only WRPGs made between a set between 1995-2002? Please. You're only limiting yourself with that kind of opinion and have pretty much made any opinion of Oblivion you have meaningless.

[Menegrothx]

No it's not. It's just you're opinion.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php
Make an account and ask people what they think of Oblivion

And that site certainly isn't the only place where I've seen majority of RPG fans thinking that Oblivion was a poor sequel to Morrowind and a subpar/mediocre RPG.
For instance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JweTAhyR4o0

Btw I'm not saying that Morrowind is the greatest RPG ever or anything like that, it has a fair share of problems and it's far from being my favorite RPG, I'm not really a TES fan.

A release date has nothing to do with whether a game is good or not.

I never argued that. It's all about design like I said. Etrian Odyssey, Dark Spire and Dark Souls are Japanese examples of modern old school RPGs. Legend of Grimrock and apparently the Witcher games are Western examples of modern old school RPGs.

Like I said, I've played many games on many consoles and and continue to do so. These insinuations that I'm not a true gamer somehow are frankly getting insulting.

You're twisting my words. I never said that you're not a true gamer. RPGs are one of many genres and very few people can honestly say that they're knowledgeable of all different genres. I'm far from being a RPG aficionado, but I know more than the average gamer who hasn't done research/played anything more obscure or demanding. I'm sure you know more about RPGs than curren gen only&casual gamers.

I mean how freaking ridiculous are you? Only WRPGs made between a set between 1995-2002? Please. You're only limiting yourself with that kind of opinion and have pretty much made any opinion of Oblivion you have meaningless.

Again you're twisting my words, or atleast mixing two concepts. The second golden age of WRPGs is commonly considered to be 1997-2002. I said that I personally enjoyed playing all the hyped/well regarded PC games (not just WRPGs, PC games of any genre) made between 1995-2002 that I've played during recent years. My point was that there wasn't any nostalgia involved, those older games that people hype are just as good to some one like me who has never played them before.

[BurningDoom]

No it's not. It's just you're opinion.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php
Make an account and ask people what they think of Oblivion

So this one site that you're a member of has more influence on deciding what makes a game good than like the entire rest of the gaming community...



Give me a break. RPGs are a pretty damn popular genre. It's not some magic box that only you and your elitist buddies on that site can figure out.

[MrEco]

Burning Doom, please, you clearly don't get it. Being fun isn't enough for a game to be good. It also has to be just obscure enough that you can feel unique compared to the masses for saying you've played it, and you can rest easy knowing that it's only popular because conforming sheeple with bottom of the barrel standards don't know what makes a quality game. Conveniently, only you and you're small group of friends and peers are qualified to decide what makes a game good.


On a completely unrelated topic, I'm about half way through the Tomb Raider reboot and it's really amazing so far. Had mixed feelings about it when I'd heard so many people cry "Uncharted clone" but luckily gave it a shot.

[jinx]

Phantasy Star Portable 2


Well... I'm not really playing it anymore, because my little brother can't seem to get his PSP to connect to the router for whatever reason. However, I played the hell out of it while on vacation. Me and my bro played multiplayer in ad-hoc mode every night and had a blast. Although we found ourselves grinding from time to time, and had some issues figure out how to do basic stuff, it was a lot of fun. PSO for DC is still better in my opinion, but this is definitely good alternative for on the go gaming and it still works with online play! The wide variety of missions and styles of gameplay keep it from getting boring.

However, this simply makes me crave for PSO2. I'll be buying a Vita just for that game, and I may even buy a Vita for my brother so we can finally play an online game that we both enjoy (other than minecraft).

[Menegrothx]

So this one site that you're a member of has more influence on deciding what makes a game good than like the entire rest of the gaming community...

I'm not a codex member. But yes, the opinions of people who know what they're talking about matter more than those who don't.

Give me a break. RPGs are a pretty damn popular genre. It's not some magic box that only you and your elitist buddies on that site can figure out.

I never said that RPGs aren't a popular genre. What was implied though is that generally mediocre, overhyped ("AAA") RPGs sell a lot better than good ones.

Burning Doom, please, you clearly don't get it. Being fun isn't enough for a game to be good.

I wouldn't call ANY TES game "fun". Clunky combat.

It also has to be just obscure enough that you can feel unique compared to the masses for saying you've played it, and you can rest easy knowing that it's only popular because conforming sheeple with bottom of the barrel standards don't know what makes a quality game. Conveniently, only you and you're small group of friends and peers are qualified to decide what makes a game good.

How can those elitist movie critics live with themselves after giving every imaginable poorly written Hollywood cash in blockbuster 1/5? Don't they know that if it's popular, it must be good. Just look at the most viewed videos of youtube. http://www.youtube.com/charts/videos_views?t=a&gl=US Justin Bieber, Gangstam Style, Jennifer Lopez, Shakira, Pitbull, Lady Gaga, LMFAO, One direction, Nicki Minaj... Now that's what I call music. Clearly all of those songs are technically superior to any piece of classical music you can find. If it's more popular, it has to mean it's better. HOW DARE THOSE ELITISTS WHO'VE ACTUALLY PUT TIME AND EFFORT INTO STUDYING THEIR CRAFT CLAIM THAT VIVALDI IS TECHNICALLY SUPERIOR TO "Justin Bieber - Baby ft. Ludacris"?!

[graffix_13]

Playing The Last of Us currently and I have to say the intro level was one of the best I have ever seen in a game. Experiencing that first level alone was well worth the $60. It ranks up there with the first stage of FFVII in my book. They captured the insanity of the outbreak perfectly and oh the emotion was freaking amazing .

All i can say is game is amazing. From the first 4-5 hours i have spent in it I already want a sequel/prequel. This game deserves at least 2-3 of them.

BEST PS3 Exclusive I have played as of now.

Agree! I'm almost done with the game (at least, I think I am...I have to be getting close) and I have that feeling "I don't want it to end!" Even though I have a few more playthroughs to go for the plat.

The game is amazing, and easily my favorite this generation (PS3/Xbox 360). My ONLY complaint is that it very glitchy. I've had conversation prompts not show, a comic book that didn't appear where it was suppose to, and a ladder that I needed to advance the story not show up. Usually restarting the encounter will get the items to populate.

[TheSegaSaturnGuy]

I just recently got a 3DS and I bought Ace Combat: Assault Horizon Legacy. After buying the system I did not have that much money left to get a higher priced game. I wanted Kid Icarus but didnt have 22 bucks. Well, when I got AC home and started with the story mode I was very happy. The game plays trumendously well with a good level of difficulty. The game is also compatible with the Circle Pro Pad, which I am getting on Monday. I am on mission 6 right now, I am not sure how many levels there are but there are 3 difficulty modes which I plan to finish. IGN gave Ace Combat: Assault Horizon Legacy a 4/5 but I would give it a 5/5 in my book. Have any of you guys played this game, and if so what is you opinion?