Why World War Z is the most insulting movie of the year

[indecks]

Actually, science fiction dates as far back as the Greeks. But yes, Starship Troopers was praised highly upon release for offering a militarized vision of humanity's far future that hadn't really been focused on before. Now I can't say about how it was written, because I haven't read it in years (I have read other Heinlein works recently and have no complaints). But its influence on the genre was massive.

I should have clarified. I meant what I suppose you could call "planet hopping sci-fi." Verne wrote sci-fi, but John Carter was (as far as I know) the first to showcase travel to other planets by some means.

I've said this before, Tolkein influenced fantasy literature extremely heavily. He was still a terrible writer. Great universe, just a terrible writer. Heinlein came up with something that could have been good, but he decided to focus on the boring day-to-day BS of bootcamp, teachers, and seeing your pops. Guy even introduces powered armor, which totally influenced sci-fi, describes one skirmish, and then it's all bootcamp.

Bleh.

[Jmustang1968]

Actually, science fiction dates as far back as the Greeks. But yes, Starship Troopers was praised highly upon release for offering a militarized vision of humanity's far future that hadn't really been focused on before. Now I can't say about how it was written, because I haven't read it in years (I have read other Heinlein works recently and have no complaints). But its influence on the genre was massive.

I should have clarified. I meant what I suppose you could call "planet hopping sci-fi." Verne wrote sci-fi, but John Carter was (as far as I know) the first to showcase travel to other planets by some means.

I've said this before, Tolkein influenced fantasy literature extremely heavily. He was still a terrible writer. Great universe, just a terrible writer. Heinlein came up with something that could have been good, but he decided to focus on the boring day-to-day BS of bootcamp, teachers, and seeing your pops. Guy even introduces powered armor, which totally influenced sci-fi, describes one skirmish, and then it's all bootcamp.

Bleh.

I think you are missing the point behind a lot of the authors and their works. Many used sci fi and fantasy as a platform and playground for social or political commentary.

I disagree about the Tolkien's ability as a writer.

[Ack]

Actually, science fiction dates as far back as the Greeks. But yes, Starship Troopers was praised highly upon release for offering a militarized vision of humanity's far future that hadn't really been focused on before. Now I can't say about how it was written, because I haven't read it in years (I have read other Heinlein works recently and have no complaints). But its influence on the genre was massive.

I should have clarified. I meant what I suppose you could call "planet hopping sci-fi." Verne wrote sci-fi, but John Carter was (as far as I know) the first to showcase travel to other planets by some means.

Actually, this again can date back to the Greeks. Look up the work True Story, by Lucian of Samosata sometime in the 2nd Century, AD, in which sailors are caught up in a windstorm and sent to the moon, where the King of the Moon is at war with the King of the Sun.

[indecks]

Actually, science fiction dates as far back as the Greeks. But yes, Starship Troopers was praised highly upon release for offering a militarized vision of humanity's far future that hadn't really been focused on before. Now I can't say about how it was written, because I haven't read it in years (I have read other Heinlein works recently and have no complaints). But its influence on the genre was massive.

I should have clarified. I meant what I suppose you could call "planet hopping sci-fi." Verne wrote sci-fi, but John Carter was (as far as I know) the first to showcase travel to other planets by some means.

Actually, this again can date back to the Greeks. True Story, by Lucian of Samosata, in which sailors are caught up in a windstorm and sent to the moon, where the King of the Moon is at war with the King of the Sun.

Well FINE.

By your logic, sci-fi wouldn't be sci-fi without GREEKS. SHEESH.

[Luke]

By your logic, sci-fi wouldn't be sci-fi without GEEKS.

I think he makes a compelling argument.

[Jmustang1968]

What aboutcave drawings depicting aliens and space ships?!! Lol

[Ack]

I should have clarified. I meant what I suppose you could call "planet hopping sci-fi." Verne wrote sci-fi, but John Carter was (as far as I know) the first to showcase travel to other planets by some means.

Actually, this again can date back to the Greeks. True Story, by Lucian of Samosata, in which sailors are caught up in a windstorm and sent to the moon, where the King of the Moon is at war with the King of the Sun.

Well FINE.

By your logic, sci-fi wouldn't be sci-fi without GREEKS. SHEESH.

Well...nor without the tales of ancient India, Mesopatamia, etc. It's an old genre. But the idea of humanity sporting a fascist ideology as it marches its way into outer space and attempts genocide on an intergalactic scale? Didn't come about until after Sputnik was launched into orbit.

[indecks]

What aboutcave drawings depicting aliens and space ships?!! Lol

[Ack]

What aboutcave drawings depicting aliens and space ships?!! Lol

You mean I haven't already pointed out the connection between ancient mythology, superstition, and the modern science fiction tradition?

Perhaps we should go back a bit. I want all of you to read the Epic of Gilgamesh.

[MrPopo]

And it most likely would not have existed without it.

I can't speak of it's sequels, as I haven't read them, but The Forever War was way better than Starship Troopers. Leagues better.

Starship Troopers and The Forever War are telling two completely different kinds of stories, and it sounds like you prefer the latter.

As for Forever Peace, I'd recommend you don't read it. It starts off good, following on the things set up at the end of Forever War and the fallout to the main characters, then adds in what is potentially a very interesting mystery, only for Hadleman to pull out the biggest Deus Ex Machina + Reset Button ever conceived. And it comes off as completely out of the author's ass; like he had only concepted the story halfway, realized he had no idea how to end it, and pulled this shit out of his ass.

I haven't gotten around to reading Forever Free; I know it's not in the same timeline as the first two and it's part of my omnibus, but after Forever Peace I can't bring myself to read another one.

I would recommend you read Armor by John Steakley. It focuses more on the bug war aspects of a bug war.