The PS4 thread

[Xeogred]

Oh Cliffy B. You think you so cool.

[wclem]

I agree, they go overboard and then charge the hell out of people. Dumb salaries in sports, sent me to the locker room - as in, no more expensive football games. Oh well, not gonna spend 50 bucks a ticket to sit there and watch the team lose, year after year. Bet you cannot guess where I am close to and its not Detroit LOL.

[Hobie-wan]

Then reevaluate the pricing and/or don't make games with such huge budgets.

Exactly. Stop betting the entire farm every time. When a game can sell 500000 copies and still be a failure, you're doing it wrong.

[Pichu]

Mirror's Edge 2 has sold me on the PS4.

[Michi]

Exactly. Stop betting the entire farm every time. When a game can sell 500000 copies and still be a failure, you're doing it wrong.

I read an article that touched on this mindset just recently and it caught me off guard.

The example it gave was the new Tomb Raider re-make and it said (at the time) that the game had sold around a million copies in about a week or so (pretty sure that included pre-orders). I sat there thinking, "Wow. That's pretty good." only to stare in wonder when it went on to say that Square Enix was saying it wasn't selling as well as expected.

I can't find the exact article, but here's a similar one. It's kind of sad that 3.4 million copies in a month is below expectation.

[TheRev]

Cliffy B is kingdouchetard

what does he even do now? He left (was probably fired from) Epic. Now what?

[flex wood]

I agree, they go overboard and then charge the hell out of people. Dumb salaries in sports, sent me to the locker room - as in, no more expensive football games. Oh well, not gonna spend 50 bucks a ticket to sit there and watch the team lose, year after year. Bet you cannot guess where I am close to and its not Detroit LOL.

Are you in Minnesota too? If not you keep quiet at least whoever your talking about isn't getting a new stadium. The only good thing is I'm going to quit smoking, not for my health but I want as little of my money as possible to go towards another stadium we don't need.

Yes I'm mad.

[Cronozilla]

This guy talks nonsense just like other people from Epic Games and other huge budget publishers.

To be frank ... eliminating used games would only drive sales down unless you also lowered the sticker price ... which they're not. Assuming that people would buy a new copy if a used one wasn't available (sort of like the piracy argument) is absolute bullshit.

Rental games

do NOT lose money for game makers. Rental houses have to get rental licenses from the publisher for those games ... they are different terms than $60 retail per unit. It's more. Usually a lot more. Usually, in cases like Epic Games ... it's more than you could ever make back to break even on by renting it.

As far as I've seen

talking to people who work in it, and seeing how these types of organizations work in general there are two primary issues: Marketing and Distributors.

You can piss and moan all you want about someone buying a used game ... but if the distributor you are using that manufactures the discs, boxes, and sells your game to stores is taking upwards of 45% of the MSRP of the title per unit ... maybe you should analyze that first.

On top of that, the marketing budgets are ridiculous. I think it was Modern Warfare 2 that had a $30 million budget for development and like over $100 million for marketing. Even if it was $100 million total ... that still means the marketing budget was more than double the cost of actually making the game.

Yet ... when something doesn't "perform" the developer takes the axe ...

not the marketing budgets or tactics. Not the distribution model ... so now they've got a great system ... one that is an unsustainable business model that lines publisher pockets and pushes developers to sprout the company line for fear of the systems they rely on. It's an ingenious system ... and it's very similar to how television is set up ... TV isn't doing so well right now.

I think this bothers me the most ... because it gets gamers who have no benefit in touting this sort of bullshit spreading it like gospel.

If used games are actually reducing the game market (and I haven't seen any actual reputable data saying it does ... it's all given as anecdotal based on short sighted theory) then the game market needs to change. Because otherwise it will crash. You can't twist the arm of every consumer ... they'll just give up buying games. Publishers and developers need consumers more than consumers need them.

In some situations you could loose some franchises that people genuinely care about ... but frankly, if this kind of reckless business is becoming the norm, why would you remotely condone it ... it's just creating a AAA bubble ... and all bubbles pop. They always do. They always will. It's just a matter of time. And until people stop abusing them ... we will not be able to grow the medium in a way that is sustainable.

This kind of garbage really pisses me off. We've seen it for decades in various kinds of markets, and it's a repeating pattern ... and people still listen to it. Absolutely infuriating.

[RCBH928]

We discussed this before , and to me it makes no sense that a big budget game like GTA 4 or Skyrim would have same retail price as a game like Zack and Wiki and Wario Ware . I think each should be priced at its assumed value by the publisher and the consumer will vote with their money if the prices stays high or goes down.

The same tactic is used with movies in theaters , something like Iron Man 3 ticket price is just as much as some unknown indie film . This has something to do with economics but I am not sure what .

I am not saying games should cost anywhere form $10 -> $150 but I think a max of $60 and then it works down from there. If there is some super great game that just has expansion packs in the future and online multiplayer I do not mind a $80 new price tag.

This is why I like digital downloads, games tend to be priced differently . Many has high value and low price Resident evil is probably anywhere from $5 to $10 but it is just as much fun as when it was released .

[wclem]

I agree, they go overboard and then charge the hell out of people. Dumb salaries in sports, sent me to the locker room - as in, no more expensive football games. Oh well, not gonna spend 50 bucks a ticket to sit there and watch the team lose, year after year. Bet you cannot guess where I am close to and its not Detroit LOL.

Are you in Minnesota too? If not you keep quiet at least whoever your talking about isn't getting a new stadium. The only good thing is I'm going to quit smoking, not for my health but I want as little of my money as possible to go towards another stadium we don't need.

Yes I'm mad.

At least Minnesota has seen a Super Bowl. Try Cleveland, and yes they got a new stadium a few years back. Truthfully, the "BROWNS" have won two super bowls, just for another city. Hey but look at it this way, the owner is gonna go to jail LOL !!!