Xbox One

[Stark]

I don't understand why you have to be a "retarded fanboy" to be the only one interested in it. I'm not too keen on a lot of the restrictions, but they actually seem a lot less restrictive than those the PC industry has had for a while now.

Also, I don't see why this needed it's own thread and couldn't be/hasn't already been said in the Xbox One thread.

[Bradtemple87]

Why are these threads still around???

Lock it up already!

[Phades]

I see this as a big problem. At least with Steam and the PC you have a platform with a proven track record of backwards compatibility. Yes, that copy of Half Life 2 I bought in 2004 can't be sold to someone else, but at least I can still play it if I feel the urge.
So far, Microsoft's track record with consoles has shown that they don't really are about what I bought almost ten years ago, they think I'm "backwards" for wanting to play those games. I have zero confidence that ten years from now I'll have access to any of the games I buy on their platform today.

[irixith]

If you wonder, I'm also increasingly dissatisfied with Steam.

Tell me more.

In my eyes, Steam has only become better over time, not worse. The DRM is completely unobtrusive (i.e. not noticeable at all), you can set the client into offline mode with no time restriction or identity checks, something is constantly on sale, updates can be accepted or declined at your discretion ... Steam sounds pretty awesome! Then there's the deep integration with the community, plus things like Greenlight.

What do you feel that they're doing wrong?

Me, I think the whole hat/virtual trading card business is hysterically funny, but clearly there's an enormous demand for it. Not to mention it's entirely optional.

[dsheinem]

What do you feel that they're doing wrong?

Folks are upset that Steam has recently included anti-class action clauses and strengthened language about licensing over owning in their EULAs.

[ZeoDefender]

I dislike all of this draconian DRM as much as the next guy and it has provided me with plenty of good laughs, but at the end of the day it's still a minor issue. Microsoft gets hacked and we can't play our games for two weeks? Most people wouldn't care that much, and hardcore gamers have other games to play while they wait. An always online Kinect is weird, but the CIA isn't going to hack your system to watch your jerk off. It's not going to happen. Xbox One servers shut down in 2024? Well, emulate those games on your 50GHZ 64-Core processor with 2TB of RAM. No biggie.

If this ends up paving the way for Steam quality service (cheaper games, plenty of sales, etc.) I'll be quite happy with it.

[MrPopo]

I feel it necessary to point out that everyone stressing over "what if 2 years down the line while it's still the same generation I can't find niche game X" can still find it digital. It's going to be just like Steam in that regard; the disc is merely a way to deliver the game to you if you have a slow (but reliable) connection.

[Stark]

I see this as a big problem. At least with Steam and the PC you have a platform with a proven track record of backwards compatibility. Yes, that copy of Half Life 2 I bought in 2004 can't be sold to someone else, but at least I can still play it if I feel the urge.
So far, Microsoft's track record with consoles has shown that they don't really are about what I bought almost ten years ago, they think I'm "backwards" for wanting to play those games. I have zero confidence that ten years from now I'll have access to any of the games I buy on their platform today.

This is the major reason to be concerned. Otherwise, like I said, it is like Steam but less restrictive. But you never know, maybe future Xboxes will be compatible we XBOX ONE releases a la PC.

[irixith]

What do you feel that they're doing wrong?

Folks are upset that Steam has recently included anti-class action clauses and strengthened language about licensing over owning in their EULAs.

Oh.

I figure for the pennies on the dollar that I spend on Steam, whether or not I 'own' any of it is pretty immaterial. I can download it, set the client offline and play to my heart's content. That's about as close to ownership as this brave new world of gaming gets, and it's still better than what the new Xbox is trying to offer. At least I can patch the games I've downloaded to remove the need for Steam altogether, so I can still play them whether Steam is around or not.

[dsheinem]

What do you feel that they're doing wrong?

Folks are upset that Steam has recently included anti-class action clauses and strengthened language about licensing over owning in their EULAs.

Oh.

I figure for the pennies on the dollar that I spend on Steam, whether or not I 'own' any of it is pretty immaterial. I can download it, set the client offline and play to my heart's content. That's about as close to ownership as this brave new world of gaming gets, and it's still better than what the new Xbox is trying to offer. At least I can patch the games I've downloaded to remove the need for Steam altogether, so I can still play them whether Steam is around or not.

Yup.

Here was the main thread for it: http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 49&t=39093

EDIT: you posted in it