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Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed

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Cronozilla wrote: It's an important distinction because if the last 5 or so years of PC DRM has shown us anything ... games that utilize ridiculous methods do not do well in the marketplace.
Actually the two high profile cases - Diablo 3 and Sim City - were both wildly profitable for their companies.

I am actually hard pressed to think of many examples where DRM-enabled games sold notably worse than their predecessors other than the whole Ubisoft debacle. In that case, it seems worth noting that Ubisoft implemented the always on requirement in ways that were just really, really poor in terms of support and reactivity.
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In all honesty, I was never gonna be that interested in the Xbox One anyhow. The original Xbox library was rather lacking in games that appealed to me that weren't on PS3 aswell outside of a few jRPGs and a handful of bullet hell shmups.

With that said though, everything I'm hearing about XBox One repulses me as a consumer and a retro gamer. Daily authentication checks meaning I require an active internet connection to play a brand new single player game at home? Any internet problems at either end and now my XBox is a paperweight. Oh well, at least I can still play DVDs on it. Thanks Microsoft, I really appreciate it. :roll:

Oh, and game publishers can choose whether to allow second hand sales and license transfers for their games? Wonderful. The thing that bothers me about this is that without 2nd hand sales, some games are gonna be a real pain in the ass to buy down the line. I'm not even talking about when the XBox 4 (2? 361? who knows? :lol:) comes out. Niche games with smaller print runs are going to prove harder to find when everyone is searching for a new copy. Of course, the developers of such games might enable 2nd hand sales eventually, or maybe even to begin with, but I have no way of being sure about that. So if I want to be sure, I have to buy every game I want, brand new, at launch. That's a lot of money.

And that lack of certainty just permeates through everything on the XBox One. When the NextBox comes out and the servers go down, will I be able to play any of my XB1 games? Possibly? Maybe? I don't know, because Microsoft haven't spoken about it. Maybe I can transfer all of my games forward to the next system. I don't know, and I probably won't til it's announced. Considering that XBLA games from this generation have been confirmed not to work on XBone, I'm not so optimistic. Microsoft explicitly stated that 'backwards compatability is backwards', so it's obvious they have little concern about keeping your library playable.

As a retro gamer, I do have a big concern about a system where not only the online enabled content, but also all retail copies of games will stop working once the server goes down. The system has a shelf life shorter than any shoddily built console from days past. Even today I still discover games for my old systems that I'd love to play that I never knew about before, and I can just go ahead and buy them. No guarantees for the OneBox. Why even bother having retail disc copies when all of the advantages of having them have been removed - you have to install it either way using up you system memory, it requires a reliable and reasonably strong internet connection to play and it'll eventually likely be useless once the servers are gone. I don't particularly like the idea either way, but why isnt this a digital only system? Everythings hinting that way.

And I know some of the responses I'll get - 'waaa waaa waaa, I can't afford all the good games and I want 2nd hand sales and why do I need an online connection? That's your own issue to deal with'. But these are the type of issues that affect a good chunk of microsofts consumers, and there's been very little to address them. Yes, Steam has a lot of similar requirements, it's true, but firstly I barely use Steam (all the games I own on it were either free or were codes that came with other games which can be played outside of Steam), and secondly, most Steam games still work, and will likely continue to work for some time. Even ignoring Valve saying they'll release the games if Steam were ever to fail, games purchased early in Steams lifetime still run now. Microsoft has shown no such commitment with it's digital games service on XBLA.

Now I know the console probably won't do that badly, and I also know that these issues won;t be a concern for everyone. Particularly the FIFA, Madden and COD crowd that just buy the new game annually and barely play the old ones anyway. But as a retro gamer, a collector and a fan of niche games and genres, I find all of this to be some of the most offputting decisions a console manufacturer has ever made. Microsoft will certainly be recieving no money from me, and as far as I'm concerned right now, the next generation only has two consoles that I personally feel are worth following.
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Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed

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I do not support vertical monopolies or violations of customer's rights so I won't buy an Xbone or speak kindly of it.

They could get Sid Meiers and Suzuki to cooperate on the best game of all time and I still wouldn't buy it. On principle.


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I'm really hoping the PS4 doesn't have these same requirements in place. They could really knock M$ out if they don't.

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I imagine the typical Sony scenario is that they're going to allow for DRM for publishers who wish to utilise it. It would be problematic if they favoured the consumer over the publisher. They might try to appease their fanbase by avoiding DRM in their own published games, which would make sense since they own the platform.
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johnny turbo wrote:I'm sorry I live in the middle of nowhere and the best Internet access I have is ISDN. Which I pay 70$ a month to have. No satillite or dsl is an option.
I am in the same boat. I'm surprised I haven't seen this brought up more. Microsoft's decisions on this console make it so that, in not so many words, I am not allowed to use it, because I don't have access to very good Internet service. That is appalling. As a gamer that will probably always live rural without top notch Internet access, I'm no longer a concern. It's very sad to see gaming heading in this direction, but I think everyone knew it was coming.

If it's "no big deal" to you because you just want to play the latest sports games and shooters for a few hours before moving on to the next year's release, that's great, but for some people it is a legitimately troubling concern. If this console does well despite these frustrating limitations (it will), then we can rest assured gaming will continue to move forward in this direction where we are constantly being monitored and don't own the products we purchase.
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Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed

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Microsoft is getting ripped a new one on various sites. I am loving the X-bone memes. And I love the fact that gamers are pissed about this and are voicing their concerns. *WE* are the consumers, *WE* have the power.

I am going to start calling it "Xbox 1984". This "always on/eye watching you" is bullshit, IMO.
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graffix_13 wrote:I'm really hoping the PS4 doesn't have these same requirements in place. They could really knock M$ out if they don't.

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I find it amusing and sad that Mr. "Oh you don't have fast reliable daily internet, SUX 2 B U deal with it LOL" guy went away and many people though that MS couldn't be that monumentally stupid. But instead of changing the check in policy, they're just trying to sell that shit sandwich with a smile now. At least the twitter douchebag was more honest and transparent about it.
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So lets say Microsoft leaves the Console business

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With all but the most retarded fanboys against the XBOX One it's almost guranteed to be a flop. So if it fails so hard and Microsoft leaves the Console business, Who do you think will step up? Or will it be a Nintendo/Sony World with Android consoles up the ass filling that void?
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