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Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed

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dsheinem wrote:it's just video games. chill out.
You can go ahead and stop telling me how to react.

Video games are my profession. I make games. This stuff affects my livelihood.

EDIT: Furthermore, the constituency of people with persistent online access is actually the global vocal minority.
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Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed

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TheSonicRetard wrote:
Sano wrote:Didn't really have plans on buying a Xbox One, as I dont care for Xbox consoles. If I do ever get a new console, its just more solidification behind getting a Wii U.

On a similar note, I don't think anyone brought this up as I didn't read it, but if someone did, sorry. I was informed that the XBox One's Kinect is always on, and if you're watching a movie with 4 people and someone walks in view of the Kinect, it will stop the movie and make you pay for the 5th viewer to continue. And at prices up to $5. Anyone have an article that confirms this?
This isn't discussed in an article, but it was actually a patent:

appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1="20120278904".PGNR.&OS=DN/20120278904&RS=DN/20120278904

That doesn't mean this is a part of the Xbone, it hasn't been discussed. Microsoft and Sony patent stuff all the time, but not all the stuff they patent actually gets used. I could point out a number of devices patented by both which never got implemented.
Hmm, I see your point. That kind of feature is just ridiculous if they actually plan to implement one.
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Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed

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TheSonicRetard wrote:
dsheinem wrote:it's just video games. chill out.
You can go ahead and stop telling me how to react.

Video games are my profession. I make games. This stuff affects my livelihood.
I think all you've done in this thread is tell others how we should be reacting (with raaaage!)

What games have you made? Are you developing a retail title for the Xbox One? Shoudn't you learn to adapt to industry changes to be successful in the future?
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Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed

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TheSonicRetard wrote:
Jmustang1968 wrote:
TheSonicRetard wrote:
Even if you did win the lottery and some how never experienced a single server drop, are you going to somehow pretend the issue doesn't exist? Turn a blind eye to the mountains of evidence that this is a problem because you didn't see it with your own two eyes? Do you expect your lucky streak to continue and that these problems which affect millions will never hit you?

The point of bringing up Sim City DRM wasn't for you to be think back about your own experience with the DRM, it was to point out how not-uncommon this problem is. That's like saying cancer isn't a concern, because I don't have it.

All your comments in this thread seem short sighted and narrowly focused.
Wow, are you really trying to relate cancer, a disease that kills, to the enjoyment of video games? :roll:
Absolutely not. But I actually anticipated that you'd take the most superficial interpretation of said analogy to heart.

The intent is to demonstrate the outlandish nature of your flippant attitude. Nowhere did I equate cancer to DRM. You need to work on your comprehension.
It is possible it can become an inconvenience. But, as I mostly care about my enjoyment of gaming, it will not have an impact on that. I have played many online only games and enjoyed them, getting some of the best bang for my buck. I paid $60 for Diablo 3 and played the hell out of it with my wife and friends/family and had a blast. More than got my monies worth.
It's not that it "can," it's that it "will." And that "an inconvenience" is actually "obsolescence."
I didn't enjoy Sim City 3 as much, but it wasn't because of the online component.
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Sim City isn't Sim City 3. Hell, Sim City wasn't even the third sim city.
I am not sure what winning the lottery has to do with anything.
wow.
And sure there may be some server drops.
Will. Not may.
There will also be added conveniences and features in an integrated online console like this, so the trade off may be worth it.
Such as...?
EA did make a mistake in Sim City, and MS may make a mistake here. You are trying to argue that I love some of these decisions/announcements by MS, when I merely find them mildly annoying at worst. I am also a long time MMO player, so I am used to these gaming scenarios.
I'm not trying to argue that you love these decisions. I have made absolutely no attempt to claim that. I don't even care that you like or dislike the xbone. I'm simply correcting your hand-waving of the issue, because, despite your dismissal, this is a big deal. These problems are real. And they do affect everybody. Whether or not you see them as a deal breaker or not is your prerogative. But don't pretend like there aren't very real issues with this.
Comprehension is fine and working, comparing cancer to video games is a poor analogy.

You cant "correct" my hand-waving. It is a big deal to you obviously, but not everyone. You can't make me care as I can't make you not think it is a big deal. You are just angry not everyone cares as much about this super duper problem for the world. If it bothers enough consumers they wont buy it and the system will fail, and if enough do then it will be fine.


But I am done with this discussion as you want to nit pick things instead of really going after the point at hand. You win the internets, congrats. (and yes, I know there isn't supposed to be an s on the end of internet, in case you wanted to point this out...)
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Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed

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dsheinem wrote:
TheSonicRetard wrote:
dsheinem wrote:it's just video games. chill out.
You can go ahead and stop telling me how to react.

Video games are my profession. I make games. This stuff affects my livelihood.
I think all you've done in this thread is tell others how we should be reacting (with raaaage!)

What games have you made? Are you developing a retail title for the Xbox One? Shoudn't you learn to adapt to industry changes to be successful in the future?
I haven't told a single person in this thread how to feel about the xbox one and this DRM. I have, however, argued against dismissive claims that don't gel with the reality of the situation. If you want to buy this box and support this stuff, by all means, feel free to. But all your posts have equated to "stop complaining." You don't get to do that just because you aren't upset about these changes.

Your tone about my profession is insulting. This isn't the only alternative. I already have adapted - I support alternative revenue models backed by advertising-based revenue. These xbone provisions aren't adaptive measures, this is dictating the market place.

I rarely discuss my profession online, because the internet is full of assholes. You won't get a list of games I've worked on (but, as an aside, I've also worked on non-gaming applications) but I will tell you that I haven't developed for the Microsoft 360 or the PS3. I have actually been considering PS4 development, as my small team seems like they could do well within the environment they foster, but I also believe Sony will implement similar practices, which will kill my desire to develop on their platform.
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The new xbox issues will not affect me cause i am not plunking down more money for a new console when i have had nothing but issues with my 360 and ps3. I also will not spend 60 bucks on a game i will be stuck with if i don't like it. I don't play online cause i prefer to be around others playing instead of some snot nosed 13 talking shit on a headset.
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Doesn't bother me much. I've played PC games before. So what's new? Now will the Xbox One have exclusive games I am interested in? Not sure yet.
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Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed

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TheSonicRetard wrote: I haven't told a single person in this thread how to feel about the xbox one and this DRM.
TheSonicRetard wrote: doomsday scenario
TheSonicRetard wrote:worst fears
TheSonicRetard wrote:Required, persistent, mandatory re-authentication checks are disgusting and a terrible thing.
TheSonicRetard wrote:I'm simply correcting your hand-waving of the issue, because, despite your dismissal, this is a big deal. These problems are real. And they do affect everybody.
Those all seem like suggestions about how we should feel. You didn't start the sentences with "you should feel/think" but that's your argument.
TheSonicRetard wrote:Your tone about my profession is insulting. This isn't the only alternative.
I'm not trying to insult you, just trying to figure out how their decisions affect you and your livelihood if you aren't actually working on an Xbox One game or haven't been working on similar platforms previously.
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Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed

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For some reason this:
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Reminds me of this:
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Its weird, because their not even the same shape. Not all ideas are great ideas I guess.
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