Xbox One

[Jmustang1968]

You're on a retro collecting site, and they just killed the prospect of second-hand sales and put a time limit on the lifespan of working games, and you're not affected?

I am always online and bought almost every game new for this gen. I didn't pay $60 for a good many of my games. You can usually find them new for the same price as used after a few months on Amazon. I will treat it more like a PC now. I haven't been able to sell most of those games for years now.

You are always online, but microsoft is not. Remember when they were down for 3 weeks world-wide, days before christmas, a few years ago?

You say you can find titles after a few months on Amazon. What about after a few years? Try to find me a retailer selling, for example, Outrun 2 for the Xbox 360 or PS3.

Your comparison to PC gaming is laughable. Steam doesn't require me to confirm that, yes, I bought my game every 24 hours.

You have a "my sales thread" link in your sig. You are affected.

Nope, not affected in a meaningful way, sorry... Retro games and modern games are a different scenario for me. I have already resigned myself knowing that many modern games have strong online components that won't be relevant in the future.



Did this even come out for the 360? I know it is on the Xbox new right there...

I will treat it like my PC as far as how I buy games and collect for the system, so it isn't laughable at all.

I may not think they are necessarily good decisions or what I would prefer, but it isn't a deal breaker. Some of the always online components will add value and convenience in ways not offered by offline consoles. So I see it somewhat as a trade off where the negatives don't disrupt my ability to enjoy the console.

[Jmustang1968]

Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.

Holy fuck, you mean like if they were to insert the disc or cartridge like the way older stuff works? AMAZING!

Yeah that statement was pretty stupid. But I think they did that in response to some fears that the Kinect would 'id' the owner and only allow them to play.

[Krejlooc]

Nope, not affected in a meaningful way, sorry... Retro games and modern games are a different scenario for me. I have already resigned myself knowing that many modern games have strong online components that won't be relevant in the future.



Did this even come out for the 360? I know it is on the Xbox new right there...

I will treat it like my PC as far as how I buy games and collect for the system, so it isn't laughable at all.

I may not think they are necessarily good decisions or what I would prefer, but it isn't a deal breaker. Some of the always online components will add value and convenience in ways not offered by offline consoles. So I see it somewhat as a trade off where the negatives don't disrupt my ability to enjoy the console.

That you've resigned yourself to anything is an admission that it's affected you. You're confusing "I don't care" with "I'm not affected."

Similarly, you seem to have only focused on "no trading, no selling, no used games"

What about the awful as hell DRM? You completely ignored my example of your internet being up, while the servers you need to connect to are down. And if the example of this affecting Microsoft wasn't a recent-enough example for you, all you'd have to do is look at the Sim City launch from just a few weeks ago.

Required, persistent, mandatory re-authentication checks are disgusting and a terrible thing.

[Jmustang1968]

Nope, not affected in a meaningful way, sorry... Retro games and modern games are a different scenario for me. I have already resigned myself knowing that many modern games have strong online components that won't be relevant in the future.



Did this even come out for the 360? I know it is on the Xbox new right there...

I will treat it like my PC as far as how I buy games and collect for the system, so it isn't laughable at all.

I may not think they are necessarily good decisions or what I would prefer, but it isn't a deal breaker. Some of the always online components will add value and convenience in ways not offered by offline consoles. So I see it somewhat as a trade off where the negatives don't disrupt my ability to enjoy the console.

That you've resigned yourself to anything is an admission that it's affected you. You're confusing "I don't care" with "I'm not affected."

Similarly, you seem to have only focused on "no trading, no selling, no used games"

What about the awful as hell DRM? You completely ignored my example of your internet being up, while the servers you need to connect to are down. And if the example of this affecting Microsoft wasn't a recent-enough example for you, all you'd have to do is look at the Sim City launch from just a few weeks ago.

Required, persistent, mandatory re-authentication checks are disgusting and a terrible thing.

I bought Sim City on day 1 and never had a problem getting in and playing it.

If the servers are down, I couldn't play most of the games I play on current gen systems anyway.

You are also now focusing on terminology instead of the intent behind what I said.

I will not be affected in a meaningful way, not that there will be absolutely no affect on me.

The PS2 having a DVD drive had an affect on me, but that would obviously not be what I was meaning when I made the statement I did. Any change has an affect, but this will not have a negative effect or will not allow me to not enjoy the console.

Did the MS servers go down that long? I do not recall that. I remember the PSN issue.

[brunoafh]

I'm absolutely loving the statements being made trying to make the limitations seem like cool and fun selling points.

Share access to your games with everyone inside your home

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere

That's so awesome! Gaming sure has come leaps and bounds.

[BurningDoom]

I can't understand how these things can't affect somebody who's a gamer.

[Krejlooc]

I bought Sim City on day 1 and never had a problem getting in and playing it.

To be blunt, I don't believe you.

[Jmustang1968]

I bought Sim City on day 1 and never had a problem getting in and playing it.

To be blunt, I don't believe you.

To be blunt, I don't care if you do. I don't need to impress by making up lies or stories in online forums.

[dsheinem]

I can't understand how these things can't affect somebody who's a gamer.

Do they make the games themselves any less enjoyable?

Besides, I like the idea of buying a game and my brother in another state now having access to it whenever he wants and vice versa. It sounds like I can buy Castle Crashers 2 or Halo 5 and my brother can co-op with me online even if he doesn't own a copy and he can also have full access to the game on his own.

Some of you might start to feel like "family" soon if you also buy an Xbox One.

(Unless of course online "family" sharing includes shared credit card/account info.)

[Krejlooc]

I bought Sim City on day 1 and never had a problem getting in and playing it.

To be blunt, I don't believe you.

To be blunt, I don't care if you do. I don't need to impress by making up lies or stories in online forums.

Even if you did win the lottery and some how never experienced a single server drop, are you going to somehow pretend the issue doesn't exist? Turn a blind eye to the mountains of evidence that this is a problem because you didn't see it with your own two eyes? Do you expect your lucky streak to continue and that these problems which affect millions will never hit you?

The point of bringing up Sim City DRM wasn't for you to be think back about your own experience with the DRM, it was to point out how not-uncommon this problem is. That's like saying cancer isn't a concern, because I don't have it.

All your comments in this thread seem short sighted and narrowly focused.

Post subject: Re: All the doomsday scenarios about xbone DRM confirmed
BurningDoom wrote:
I can't understand how these things can't affect somebody who's a gamer.

Do they make the games themselves any less enjoyable?

I'd say "not being able to play the game" makes it less enjoyable, yes.