Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

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Retrodude wrote:
TheSonicRetard wrote:I completely agree about the NES versions, though.
And the funny thing is, people seem to only think this now, in retrospect. They didn't seem too bad when they were the only version people knew about, did they? Just an observation.
I have no idea, I didn't experience the NES versions when they were new, growing up a Sega kid and all. My first exposure to Kojima was Snatcher on the Sega CD, to this day, I still think of that game first when I think of Kojima.

I've only played bits and pieces of the NES version of Metal gear and and snakes revenge, although I own the MSX2 versions and I've beaten both. From the stuff I've played of the NES versions, I feel I can write them off without missing too much.
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BoneSnapDeez wrote: - The Metal Gear series is shockingly overrated. The 8-bit games are straight-up bad and the newer titles are a convoluted mess.
They are a convoluted mess and that's how I like them.

And yeah the MSX ones are quite awesome, especially 2.
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Retrodude wrote:
TheSonicRetard wrote:I completely agree about the NES versions, though.
And the funny thing is, people seem to only think this now, in retrospect. They didn't seem too bad when they were the only version people knew about, did they? Just an observation.
Kind of. Original metal gear on nes always had mixed reception. There's a reason why most people don't really know anything about the 8 bit games.
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I will admit I have not played the MSX versions, as I don't own an MSX. Maybe someday...
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BoneSnapDeez wrote:I will admit I have not played the MSX versions, as I don't own an MSX. Maybe someday...
Can't recommend one enough. Terrific machine, essentially what the Colecovision could have been had the market not crashed. The Konami support on it is outstanding. I personally believe Konami's output on the MSX is superior to that of their output on the NES, with incredible games like Space Manbow, Snatcher, SD Snatcher, Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2, Treasure of Usas, an entire, exclusive Gradius series, Penguin Adventure, Castlevania, Contra, and so forth.

Actually, I saw someone above say that Castlevania 2 is a good sequel despite it being "different." It's not really all that different - Castlevania 2 is basically a mix of the NES Castlevania and the MSX Castlevania. The MSX version - released a few days after the NES version - is a completely different game that is exploration based, sort of like castlevania 2 or symphony of the night. It still has levels, but the goal isn't simply to get to the end of the level. There are no bottomless pits - instead each stage is open and free flowing and pits simply lead to lower parts of the level. There are shops and currencies, different weapons (the Axe, for example, is permanent), keys to collect. It was a really different game.

For those in the US, Castlevania 2 seemed to be such a drastic departure, but for those familiar with the MSX version, it seemed like a good blend of the two versions of the game.

Here's a good video on the awesomeness that is the MSX version of Castlevania (called Vampire Killer in europe):



Virtually any game which is on both the NES and MSX are very different. Contra, for example, is twice as long on the MSX, featuring levels not seen in either the NES or Arcade version. It also is much more difficult, with no continues and only 3 lives, but a long life bar. It lacks the spreader, but has a few exclusive weapons, like the shot gun. The Gradius games are the most different - only the first is an arcade port (and a pretty good one). All the other gradius games are exclusive to the system - Gradius 2 on the MSX is a completely different game from the PCE, Arcade, and NES Gradius II (note the roman numerals), and Gofer no Yabo Episode II (aka Nemesis III) is actually an MSX-exclusive sequel to the arcade Gradius 2.

Terrific system, Konami's output really makes it worth picking up. Even beyond Konami, it has excellent conversions of games like R-type, and the Aleste series was birthed on the system. It goes for quite a bit, however, but it's definitely my 2nd favorite 8-bit system. I have a Sony HitBit HB-F1 II, this model:

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EDIT: I should also mention that Konami MSX games usually have much better music than the average NES game because they featured Konami's arcade SCC chip inside virtually every released. This sound chip was superior to even the VRC-3 in the japanese version of Castlevania 3. For Snatcher and SD snatcher, the chip was even expanded as the SCC+, probably the single greatest sound processor ever produced by Konami.
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Thanks for the info. Great picture too! I've actually been thinking of getting an MSX for some time - I'd really like to try those Dragon Quest ports. Seems tough to find an MSX in the States though.

I'm actually a big fan of what I call the classic "computer-consoles". I have the C64, C16, TI-99/4A, and Tandy Color. I'd like to round out my Commodore set with the VIC-20 and Amiga, and then maybe go for the MSX... Maybe I'll have one by 2015. :lol:
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BoneSnapDeez wrote:Thanks for the info. Great screenshot too! I've actually been thinking of getting an MSX for some time - I'd really like to try those Dragon Quest ports. Seems tough to find an MSX in the States though.

I'm actually a big fan of what I call the classic "computer-consoles". I have the C64, C16, TI-99/4A, and Tandy Color. I'd like to round out my Commodore set with the VIC-20 and Amiga, and then maybe go for the MSX... Maybe I'll have one by 2015. :lol:
If you're nabbing an MSX, might as well nab a PC-9801, FM Towns, etc etc.
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AppleQueso wrote:
BoneSnapDeez wrote:Thanks for the info. Great screenshot too! I've actually been thinking of getting an MSX for some time - I'd really like to try those Dragon Quest ports. Seems tough to find an MSX in the States though.

I'm actually a big fan of what I call the classic "computer-consoles". I have the C64, C16, TI-99/4A, and Tandy Color. I'd like to round out my Commodore set with the VIC-20 and Amiga, and then maybe go for the MSX... Maybe I'll have one by 2015. :lol:
If you're nabbing an MSX, might as well nab a PC-9801, FM Towns, etc etc.
Don't give me ideas man!

I'm trying to stick mostly to systems that have cartridge games.

And I always seem to find myself in a bind - should I try a new console or just buy more games for the ones I already have?
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BoneSnapDeez wrote:
AppleQueso wrote:
BoneSnapDeez wrote:Thanks for the info. Great screenshot too! I've actually been thinking of getting an MSX for some time - I'd really like to try those Dragon Quest ports. Seems tough to find an MSX in the States though.

I'm actually a big fan of what I call the classic "computer-consoles". I have the C64, C16, TI-99/4A, and Tandy Color. I'd like to round out my Commodore set with the VIC-20 and Amiga, and then maybe go for the MSX... Maybe I'll have one by 2015. :lol:
If you're nabbing an MSX, might as well nab a PC-9801, FM Towns, etc etc.
Don't give me ideas man!

I'm trying to stick mostly to systems that have cartridge games.

And I always seem to find myself in a bind - should I try a new console or just buy more games for the ones I already have?
If you keep buying up consoles you'll eventually have them all and you'll have no choice. :twisted:
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BoneSnapDeez wrote:Thanks for the info. Great picture too! I've actually been thinking of getting an MSX for some time - I'd really like to try those Dragon Quest ports. Seems tough to find an MSX in the States though.

I'm actually a big fan of what I call the classic "computer-consoles". I have the C64, C16, TI-99/4A, and Tandy Color. I'd like to round out my Commodore set with the VIC-20 and Amiga, and then maybe go for the MSX... Maybe I'll have one by 2015. :lol:
I grew up with a C64, but I've been going around collecting computers for a while now because I've run out of consoles to collect. I have an FM Towns Marty, a Sharp x68k, an Amiga 500, Amiga 1200, a CD32, an Atari XE, an Amstrad GX4000, a 486DX with 32 mb ram and a Roland MT32, and I have an Atari STe on the way.

I guess my next goal is a ZX Spectrum, but it's hard for me to get excited about that :?

Those computers are fantastic systems, btw. They get overlooked by console gamers, but they hold excellent libraries. The Sharp x68k and FM Towns in particular are outstanding systems with libraries that would make any console gamer happy.
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