What Made you Smile/What Ticked you off Today?

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mjmjr25 wrote:Please fully privatize the USPS.
FUCK NO. Besides the fact that USPS is still cheaper and more reliable than any privatized shipping company, it's not even the fact that it's a public company that is the problem. Anti-free market legislation imposed by Bush Jr. and the fucking morons in Congress ensured that the USPS cannot be profitable.

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mjmjr25 wrote:Please fully privatize the USPS.
I doubt this would benefit the end user. On the contrary...
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o.pwuaioc wrote:
mjmjr25 wrote:Please fully privatize the USPS.
FUCK NO. Besides the fact that USPS is still cheaper and more reliable than any privatized shipping company, it's not even the fact that it's a public company that is the problem. Anti-free market legislation imposed by Bush Jr. and the fucking morons in Congress ensured that the USPS cannot be profitable.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45049636/Fixing_ ... s_Finances
Whenever I see someone say "privatize the USPS" I always wonder if they've ever actually shipped something themselves with FedEx/UPS. Sure, you can get cheap packages from Amazon, but that's because they've negotiated a massive bulk discount. The average consumer is not so lucky.
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:x : USPS rates going up. Oh well, I'll pass the cost along to my customers. Of course, I might have fewer customers now...

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Anti-Free Market legislation is the problem? Silly me, I thought it was thousands of people who are collecting federal (plump) pensions for doing postal work, many retiring in their late 40's / early 50's and collecting the entire time until death. Those crazy pension plans rarely exist in the private sector, at least not for this type of work. Now the brilliant plan is to buy out (lump sum) or offer early retirement (pension) to 18% of the work force. Why are paying out lump sums - if the work isn't there, the work isn't there.

And somehow the government back agency is losing 15billion a year when UPS is making money. And no, they are not cheaper (now) on most packages when insurance is included, which is the case on UPS packages, but is a separate cost with USPS, min. $3.05 per package.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/us/po ... .html?_r=0

I've likely shipped more FED EX/UPS than any non-business owner on this forum, so yeah, i'ved used 'em. As for damage and reliability, you ask 100 of us whose damaged or lost more packages and you'll likely get a 50/50 split, UPS vs USPS, however it is FAR EASIER to collect for lost or damaged packages from UPS than USPS. I've used both a few hundred times this past year, a few thousand over the past 10 years.

To be clear - I don't love UPS or FED EX or DHL or SPEEDY or anyone else, have had problems with them all. The defining characteristic is that the government is not involved in those businesses. They don't directly affect me. However, when congress has to meet every year, on OUR DOLLARS, those of us who pay federal taxes, then yes, that affects me (and you) and yes, we should complain...loudly.
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I doubt this would benefit the end user...

I do agree things might work more smoothly internally in a privatized company.

However, privatization also comes at a few costs. One of them loss of jobs for sure...

As for lower prices for the end user, I doubt it.
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You miss the point, this isn't about end user costs. This is about another prop up of a fundamentally flawed government backed agency. I don't care, per se, about the cost to ship a package. I care that the reason for the cost is flawed.

When my business fails, i'm done. When a government business fails, our taxpayer money is spent to find a way to save it. That's wrong.
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Saw the new Turbo Views episode today. Those always make me smile.
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mjmjr25 wrote:I don't care, per se, about the cost to ship a package. I care that the reason for the cost is flawed.
True...

I do care about the cost of a package though.

Especially when I'm the receiver... :lol:

The thing I don't like about privatization is that they go for profit, where a government institution does not. They are supposed to be a service. However, in this case they need some heavy restructuring and some hard decisions have to be made. And like you said, if the work isn't there, you need to let some people go. Not to make profit, but to not make a loss...
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mjmjr25 wrote:Anti-Free Market legislation is the problem?
I think I would have more success with a brick wall. Did you even bother reading what I posted? Or for that matter, what you posted?

From the NY Times article you posted:

"The widely expected loss, more than triple the service’s loss last year, included accounting expenses of $11.1 billion related to two payments that the agency was supposed to make into its future retiree health benefits fund."

Seventy-five percent of the loss is directly related to the bullshit legislation that Bush Jr. enacted. How do you expect anyone to have the cash necessary for restructuring when 11 billion dollars is taken from it's earnings, 11 billion dollars that isn't actually doing anything. No company in the world does this, and it doesn't make any sense to do it. Moreover, in that exact same legislation, Bush and co. forbade the USPS from providing any services at all except directly related to shipping mail. Yes, that is the very fucking definition of anti-free market.

Before privatizing it, how about fixing the mistakes that Republicans made and seeing how well it would do then.
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