A nation of butthurts ~ Death Penalty for kiddie diddlers.

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aaron wrote:
marurun wrote:Any kind of rape, statutory or otherwise, is as much, if not more, about power than about sex. It's a way of demonstrating control over someone. Chemical castration may work for some people, especially those who deal in child porn, but it's unlikely to help many of those who actually sexually abuse children.
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Not agreed...

their is a difference between pedophilia, paraphilia, and statutory rape.

Paraphilia is a sexual preference arousing from assumed mental disorder.

Pedophilia is a form of paraphilia, sex with small children... medically defined as pre-pubescent. And yes a large majority are linked to a power complex.

statutory rape is the law that defines having sex with a person who is legally considered incapable of making the choice of consent. Having sex with the mentally challenged, a minor, etc. The condission of the minor being defined merely by local laws. A person might as well be attracted to an adolescent for reasons on related to 'power'.

The distinction of a minor is a very difficult process to consider. This can be easily seen due to the fact that several different communities, governments, and nations have completely different assumptions about the age at which some one can 'make decissions for themselves'. Just consider the difference in the legal age to marry from state to state here in the United States.

For instance, by legal definition a 26 year old man dating a 16 year old girl is considered statutory rape in most states. But an 58 year old man dating a 21 year old woman is not. A 16 year old girl can easily be just as physically mature as a 21 year old girl, and from my own experience, just as mentally capable. And we've made a clear distinction of age difference here as well. This could also replace the genders... women usually called "cougars" are socially accepted to an extend. Of whom here in Palm Beach county are seen a lot with boys as young as 18. How do you draw this line of a 17 year old and an 18 year old sleeping with a 40 year old?

Which also in the end doesn't have a lot to do with power. I don't think this 'cougar' is sleeping with young men for power, but because they are trophies... or are lively and fun... vice versa for older men as well. And as the age gap shrink to say a 24 year old and 16 year old... their cliques, culture, and interests are so similar there is hardly a distinction between the two.

To lump statutory rape in with pedophilia is a misnomer...

pedophilia is statutory rape, statutory rape may not be pedophilia.




Also, it is hard to make the assumption that child molestation is merely about power. First off studies about pedophilia aren't common and very little is known about the problem. But what can be said about the problem is that it changes erradictly from patient to patient.

Some cases show it is a battle for servitude or cohercment... i.e. 'power'
but some cases elude to mere surrogate sexual partners, due to the lack of mates more in their peer range
and yet even more cases show that the patient considers the age group they are attracted to be their mental peer.
And there are also the group of sadists... which can be labeled under 'power' for some... but actually has a much more unique definition.

Now keep in mind the following is not a justification for the actions done by these people. But more of an interpretation for why. People just don't do things for no reason, especially when they most likely know it is against the law.

But, a lot of people place certain beliefs well before the law.

For instance religious faith sometimes doesn't make a clear distinction if it is immoral to wed a 13 year old.
The mentally ill can not make clear choices of their own at times. Several of these people might even consider themselves to be young children unfit for sexual relations with adults. Yet still contain the same sexual desires.


To merely generalize this as one clear mental choice for power, well is kind of ignorant.



Though I must repeat, this does not make it forgiving and their are several groups of people do this for pure torturing purposes. The old school part of me says "string them up by their testicles and let them rot"... but there is another side of me that rationalizes this. That rationality is that if these people don't have the right to live, who says you have the right to live, because somewhere, some time, the choices you make on a daily basis can be easily misconstrued as amoral and deviant.

So let's just sling all ourselves up. Or better known as leaving us all 'blind'.
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aaron wrote: castration doesn't fix the mental issue and it certainly doesn't fix someone from violating a child.
I didn't say it was a blanket solution, I didn't say it should be done without also having psychological follow up. I think it is a good tool for judges to have in terms of punishment. It should be clear by my previous posts that I'm not one of the lynch mobs when it comes to thinking all pedophiles should get is punishment. I don't agree with the subsection that thinks it is ok to allow (or worse, encourage) them to be raped in prison. I mean, the pedophile / rapist goes inside and the other prisoners rape him because he is a rapist. But now they are all rapists as well, how does that end up, do they all now rape each other taking turns or something?

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This has been an interesting thread with a lot of well thought out replies. I don't have a lot to add theoretically. I personally disagree with the death penalty for several reasons. 1. the US is the only westernized nation in the world that still uses this practice. 2. it costs more to carry out the death penalty than it does to house somone in prison their entire lives. 3. i don't think the government has any business doing this.

I agree with most everybody that statutory laws needs to be readjusted. On the flip side i think their should be stiffer penalties for pedophiles. seriously some of these sick fucks get off with probation, in that case i think the judge should be brought up on some sort of charge for even letting this happen.

not to get off topic, but i think the US should get off their "war on drugs" bullshit, so that they could have the room in the prisons to hold the real criminals, like pedophiles.

along with being the only westernized nation that still uses the death penalty, the u.s. also has more persons incarcerated per population than any other nation in the world! and the second place nation (russia, i think) isn't even a close second. their are over 2 million people behind bars in america, many for consensual crimes (drugs, gambling, prostitution, etc.) and people locked up isnt even the total extent of it. something like 1 in 7 people (man woman and child) in america is in some way under the authority of the justice system (this includes incarceration, probation, and parole.)

anyone interested in learning about the absurdity of laws on consensual/victimless crimes should read Peter McWilliams book "Ain't nobodies business if you do: the absurdity of consensual crimes in our free country." excellent book, in fact here is a link to an ebook version http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/toc.htm

with that said, i have two daughters and if anyone hurt them in that sort of way. the courts wouldn't be bothered with what type of sentence to give them. they would answer to my 9mm. i wouldn't even hesitate.
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disorderlyvision wrote:This has been an interesting thread with a lot of well thought out replies. I don't have a lot to add theoretically. I personally disagree with the death penalty for several reasons. 1. the US is the only westernized nation in the world that still uses this practice. 2. it costs more to carry out the death penalty than it does to house somone in prison their entire lives. 3. i don't think the government has any business doing this.

I agree with most everybody that statutory laws needs to be readjusted. On the flip side i think their should be stiffer penalties for pedophiles. seriously some of these sick fucks get off with probation, in that case i think the judge should be brought up on some sort of charge for even letting this happen.

not to get off topic, but i think the US should get off their "war on drugs" bullshit, so that they could have the room in the prisons to hold the real criminals, like pedophiles.

along with being the only westernized nation that still uses the death penalty, the u.s. also has more persons incarcerated per population than any other nation in the world! and the second place nation (russia, i think) isn't even a close second. their are over 2 million people behind bars in america, many for consensual crimes (drugs, gambling, prostitution, etc.) and people locked up isnt even the total extent of it. something like 1 in 7 people (man woman and child) in america is in some way under the authority of the justice system (this includes incarceration, probation, and parole.)

anyone interested in learning about the absurdity of laws on consensual/victimless crimes should read Peter McWilliams book "Ain't nobodies business if you do: the absurdity of consensual crimes in our free country." excellent book, in fact here is a link to an ebook version http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/toc.htm

with that said, i have two daughters and if anyone hurt them in that sort of way. the courts wouldn't be bothered with what type of sentence to give them. they would answer to my 9mm. i wouldn't even hesitate.
I like this man's train of thought!

Damn straight about the victimless crimes. I don't do drugs, not because they are against the law... because I did them, I don't like them, you wanna go out and smoke some reefer or invite some friends over for a night of hoo ha's, go at it. I just won't be there.

Putting someone's life on the line with it is another thing in my book, like driving under the influence. You don't go to prison for that with alcohol (unless you actually kill some one, but then its not victimless) you get a damn fine. Fine those irresponsible buttheads... weee... put them in prison though? Why?
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let em get raped the eye 4 a eye
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Looks like this thread got revived, so i might as well share my thoughts on this topic.
I'm completely against the death penalty, this has nothing to do with personal yuck, i just think that nobody has the right to take another persons life.

I also have to disagree with the statements Mozgus made in his initial post about "death being on top of the chain", in my opinion torture can be way worse than death. I've never been tortured but i've heard about people who would have preferred death over the torture they had to live through. In fact there are even cased of people biting off their own tongue so they can have a peacefull death.

The topic itself is a tough one though but so are all decisions done by any court in my opinion. I go by the fact that no human can/should judge another human, not even a group of people. The problem is that we do not have a shifting opinion about things/situations. If you look the history of manking you will see that many different laws were made and dumped. If you look at the "age problem" in such cases you will see that 2000 years ago it was alright for 9 years old to become pregnant. Sure that was a long time ago, but the problem is that we do not have like a "standard" human being. There is no standard.

We are all individual beings, and therefore we all have our own opinions about right and wrong. Now you might say that if you take the opinions of many you might get a better result, but this is in my opinion simply not true. The opinions of people regarding topics such as these are influneced by so many factors (education, media, childhood, personal experience, etc.) of the given time that you cannot get an objective opinion.

I know that what i said is not constructive in any way, but this is my opinion. The biggest crime in my opinion is when one sole person talks for an entire country. This in my opinion is complete bullshit as we were once again able to see on the example of George Walker Bush. But humanity has made too many bad decision in the course of history to blame any person on their actions. I don't. Who am i to do so?

I also find it disturbing how people used the words "sick" in this thread.

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I find the differences when comparing Americans' opinions to people abroad pretty interesting...

Either way, I'd say it's time to take this thread out back and shoot it.
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