My Saturn Shiz

[TheRev]

When you take import into account, the Saturn really does Rival the PS1 in terms of awesomeness. There's something for everyone on the Saturn and you honestly can't really say that about the Dreamcast.

Why?

The Saturn has a better Good to Bad game ratio than the Dreamcast. With it's Smaller Libary the Dreamcast has alot of Niche titles and alot of crap ports and shovel ware compared to the Saturn. Granted what the Dreamcast DOES have that's good is AMAZING but compared with the Saturn there's just more on it. More sports games, more Arcade games, More unique games and I think personally the Saturn delivers a purer Sega experience than teh Dreamcast did.

Not that I'm saying the Dreamcast sucks mind you it does have a ton of great to amazing games but the Saturn to me is more import friendly (a Cart is easier than a swap disc) and the library is more varied because 3rd parties didn't Bail on Sega yet.

[pierrot]

What's missing from the Dreamcast in terms of variety?

[bryan_65]

3rd parties didn't Bail on Sega yet.

The Dreamcast had plenty of third party support,don't let Capcom here that. I don't care about EA games anyway.

[mjmjr25]

When you take import into account, the Saturn really does Rival the PS1 in terms of awesomeness. There's something for everyone on the Saturn and you honestly can't really say that about the Dreamcast.

Why?

1.) The Saturn has a better Good to Bad game ratio than the Dreamcast.

2.) With it's Smaller Libary the Dreamcast has alot of Niche titles and alot of crap ports and shovel ware compared to the Saturn.

3.) Granted what the Dreamcast DOES have that's good is AMAZING but compared with the Saturn there's just more on it. More sports games, more Arcade games, More unique games.

4.) Not that I'm saying the Dreamcast sucks mind you it does have a ton of great to amazing games but the Saturn to me is more import friendly (a Cart is easier than a swap disc) .

Not trying to give you a hard time - maybe you haven't been exposed to dreamcast very long, but most of your points aren't accurate.

1.) Well, that's an opinion I guess. I don't share it.

2.) This is simply untrue. There are more US DC games than US SAT games. The number of JP exclusives is close, but if the LE's are counted (which they of course are), there are more DC imports as well. If homebrew / new developer games are counted, then the number of titles is skewed even further in the DC's favor.

3.) Again, i'm not sure what you're referring to here - can you provide numbers or explain what you're talking about? More arcade games? There are far more NAOMI carts and gd-roms than STV carts? I suppose "unique" games is subjective, but again, a reference would help.

4.) You can get a JP or Modded DC console for less than a SAT JP or Modded, in the majority of cases. The upgrade to the other region console or a mod chip is the same investment of a swap disc or import cart - I wouldn't recommend either for anyone heavily into either import library. With the games you have - for the cost of one shooter you could have a JP console for each library.

[CD AGES]

With it's Smaller Libary the Dreamcast has alot of Niche titles and alot of crap ports and shovel ware compared to the Saturn.

Crap ports!? Well Virtual Fighter, MSH, Street Fighter Collection aren't exactly what I would call quality ports on the Saturn...

More sports games, more Arcade games, More unique games and I think personally the Saturn delivers a purer Sega experience than teh Dreamcast did.

Blitz Series, Virtua Striker, NBA Hoops, NBA Showtime, Ready2Rumble, Sega Sports 2K Series, Sports Jam... Really!?

As far as arcade games, The Dreamcast houses the majority of NAOMI releases, an arcade platform that in itself, received major support and had a tremendous catalog of games that also call Dreamcast their home! It also has a nice chunck of Sega Model 3 arcade ports and just about nearly every Capcom CPSIII arcade game! Dreamcast stands proudly beside the Saturn in this respect.

but the Saturn to me is more import friendly (a Cart is easier than a swap disc)

Using a cart to boot disc isn't anymore import friendly than the other. Besides, with DC there seems to be more options available at more convenient prices. Cheats n Codes, Gameshark, DCX, You can burn a boot disc for free, opt for an elegant Bios mod chip, or simply burn a ISO.

[TheRev]

What's missing from the Dreamcast in terms of variety?

As far as Sega offerings Shenmue, Jet Grind Radio and The Sonic Adventures were great. But In terms of pure Sega games I, IN MY OPINION give the edge to the Saturn. You had Nights, Burning rangers (which should have been a Dreamcast game) Shinobi X, Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2 and Saga (which costs YOUR SOUL) Both systems Got Daytona and while
the Dreamcast Daytona was a better game than either of what was on the Saturn...there's a charm to the Saturn Daytona's the Dreamcast port lacks.

In terms of Shmups they're neck in neck. Fighters SLIGHT edge to the Saturn but The Dreamcast is a Capcom fan's wet dream. If you're an SNK fan... the edge goes to the Saturn. UNLESS you have burnt Neo4all discs.

Sports games. Slight Edge to the Saturn but the Dreamcast does have some legendary sports games.

RPGs, I call a Tie as the PS1 killed both The Dreamcast and Saturn on that front.

The Action game is where I feel the Dreamcast really left something to be desired.
Bezerk may have been awesome when it came out but Then Devil May Cry had to come into existence and slaughter almost every action game of that type on the Dreamcast, which there weren't many of to begin with.

Again, this is just my personal preference They're both great systems

One thing I will say though. I don't think either systems reached their full potential.

Not trying to give you a hard time - maybe you haven't been exposed to dreamcast very long, but most of your points aren't accurate.

1.) Well, that's an opinion I guess. I don't share it.

2.) This is simply untrue. There are more US DC games than US SAT games. The number of JP exclusives is close, but if the LE's are counted (which they of course are), there are more DC imports as well. If homebrew / new developer games are counted, then the number of titles is skewed even further in the DC's favor.

3.) Again, i'm not sure what you're referring to here - can you provide numbers or explain what you're talking about? More arcade games? There are far more NAOMI carts and gd-roms than STV carts? I suppose "unique" games is subjective, but again, a reference would help.

4.) You can get a JP or Modded DC console for less than a SAT JP or Modded, in the majority of cases. The upgrade to the other region console or a mod chip is the same investment of a swap disc or import cart - I wouldn't recommend either for anyone heavily into either import library. With the games you have - for the cost of one shooter you could have a JP console for each library.

I've actually had my Dreamcasts (I have 3) longer than my Saturn.

I was 18 when I got my Dreamcast. 30 when I got my Saturn. I'm 31 now, 32 in August.
so that'll give you an idea of how long I've had.

My first Dreamcast was modded but then it broke and I haven't been able to figure out what went wrong. 2nd is a Launch Unit a former friend found in a flea market thing can't read GD Roms to save it's life, I just use it for burnt games the last one and my main Dreamcast is a Sega Sports unit.

I only have 1 model 1 US Saturn with an S-video cable and 4 in 1 cart I bought from the store here.

Yes this is just my opinion. I'm not saying I'm right or you're wrong, it's just what I think.

Alot of this goes back to when I was a teenager and seeing all the awesome shit the Saturn was getting and not being able to have one.

[CD AGES]

If you're an SNK fan... the edge goes to the Saturn. UNLESS you have burnt Neo4all discs.

KOF 98 thru 2002, Garou MOW, Last Blade 2, Cool Cool Toon. SNK wasn't a slouch on the DC either.

The Action game is where I feel the Dreamcast really left something to be desired.
Bezerk may have been awesome when it came out but Then Devil May Cry had to come into existence and slaughter almost every action game of that type on the Dreamcast,

DMC ain't on Saturn

[TheRev]

If you're an SNK fan... the edge goes to the Saturn. UNLESS you have burnt Neo4all discs.

KOF 98 thru 2002, Garou MOW, Last Blade 2, Cool Cool Toon. SNK wasn't a slouch on the DC either.

The Action game is where I feel the Dreamcast really left something to be desired.
Bezerk may have been awesome when it came out but Then Devil May Cry had to come into existence and slaughter almost every action game of that type on the Dreamcast,

DMC ain't on Saturn

This is true but there were quite a few scrolling 2d actions games on the Saturn.

And Yes, the NESTS saga of KOF was on the Dreamcast. And the DC ports were so good they were the main games on the PS2 NESTs Saga.

Garou... hard to argue how good that was.

Last Blade 2. It kinda runs funny on my Dreamcasts now, if I could get the modded one working again I'd be set though Last Blade 2 isn't one of my favorite SNK fighters. Plus I heard rumors Garou and Last Blade 2 screw with your GD rom drive some how. Forget where though.

But lets see for SNK on Saturn you had Fatal Fury 3, the first two Real Bouts, World Heroes Perfect, Samurai Shodown III and IV, The Orochi Saga (No 94 though, WHY SNK WHY?) and Twinkle star sprites (also on Dreamcast no idea how good the DC port is though) Then you had 3rd party neo geo ports of Fighter's History Dynamite, and Shin Oh ken, Waka Waka 7 and Galaxy Fight. Plus Metal Slug.

Oh I must yeild a bit...

Saturn did not have anything as retardedly awesome as Crazy Taxi 1 and 2.

[CD AGES]

Garou... hard to argue how good that was.

It's a solid port (although not quite on par with the PS2 Release). I'd go with the JPN release.

Last Blade 2. It kinda runs funny on my Dreamcasts now, if I could get the modded one working again I'd be set

Can you elaborate

Plus I heard rumors Garou and Last Blade 2 screw with your GD rom drive some how. Forget where though.

I've had both since their original release on Dreamcast and I have yet to have any hardware issues. Although i'd recommend playing MOW with original track setting as opposed to Arrange audio. Less noise on your GD Drive.

winkle star sprites (also on Dreamcast no idea how good the DC port is though)

It's great. Supports VGA, and I dig the 3 different track settings very much

IDK, I gotta say, I love both Sega consoles on almost equal ground. They both have awesomeness in their own way.

[pierrot]

I'm not going to try to rob you of the right to an opinion, but as far as your comparisons go, I'm just not sure of their efficacy. It's fine to like the Saturn over the Dreamcast--in many ways I do as well--but if you're going to do straight comparisons of the number of titles in any given genre, or by publisher, you're already omitting things.

It's also missing the point. You posited that the Saturn has a wide selection of games while the Dreamcast does not, to which I questioned, what genre is not represented in the Dreamcast library? There is a dearth of RPGs on the Dreamcast, but the genre is still represented with quality titles.

I really don't mean to be demeaning in any way, but I think you might be surprised by a bit more investigation into the Dreamcast's library. Just in terms of quality first-party titles: Dynamite Cop, Zombie Revenge, Chu Chu Rocket, Phantasy Star Online, Virtua Fighter 3TB, Skies of Arcadia, Napple Tale, The House of the Dead, Confidential Mission, Cosmic Smash, D2, Virtual On, F355 Challenge, Sega Rally 2, Fighting Vipers 2, Furai no Shiren Gaiden, Ooga Booga, Outtrigger, Rez, Seaman, Space Channel 5 / ep2, Samba de Amigo / 2000, Typing of the Dead. If you were talking about merely, 'killer apps' then you may have an argument, and the Saturn was no slouch with first-party releases either, but clearly there is more than just what you listed on the Dreamcast.

Also, if you're looking for Action games, there are a number in the list of first-party games. Beyond those, there are the Resident Evil games, Dino Crisis, MDK2, Fur Fighters, Shadow Man, Soul Reaver, etc and so on.