Why DON'T you kill people?

[chilimac]

Today's men are weak because their lives are too easy, they've been civilized for too long, and their testosterone is declining, and as a result they are beginning to think and behave like women.

Thinking and behaving like women? Any examples you can give?

The evidence is all around you. Today, men are more open about their feelings, and they care now more than ever of the way they look. Men are now spending more money on hygiene products, fancy haircuts and expensive clothing. Rock stars from 20-30 years ago used to be more manly - they used to have deeper, more mature sounding voices, and they sang about kicking ass and screwing all the women. Today's rock stars, on the other hand, look and sound like pretty momma's boys whose balls have yet to drop, and the way they sing sounds like their crying or whining about something.

Even today's movie stars are less manly. When's the last time you saw a kick ass manly action movie like Die Hard or Roadhouse and it not star an actor in his 50's? You no longer see the same level of violence and sex scenes in today's movies. Even today's video games are less manly. Sure, they may have more blood and violence in them, but they lack any sort of challenge. And the reason for that is because you need balls to give you the drive to overcome great adversity, and today's gamer doesn't have them.

Everything has been pussified, because everyone is a pussy.

[Erik_Twice]

You aaaalmost got me there.

[chilimac]

Of course I don't know AppleQueso personally, so he could be a woman and thus would probably want to continue thinking and behaving like one.

Since when does not being vengeful and opting to rationalize equate to being a woman?

Since caveman. We need be more caveman. Hit. Kill. Eat. Poop. Sex. Caveman way is best way. All disagree need my club on head.

If you want to know where mankind is heading, then all you need to do is look at where we've been. There is no doubt that men used to be much stronger and that we're continuing to weaken. Now the question is: how much weaker will we get? I believe that, if we don't change course and return to living a more challenging lifestyle (one without civilization), then the weakening won't stop until we're extinct.

[chilimac]

I believe that it is normal for men to want to kill others. Most men these days would probably disagree with me, and that is because their testosterone is much lower than it should be. Today's men are weak because their lives are too easy, they've been civilized for too long, and their testosterone is declining, and as a result they are beginning to think and behave like women.

Here is a study that proves that testosterone in men have been declining every year since the late 80's.

http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/newscien ... netal.html

You're making up generalizations about this study. Our lives have not become easier. There are many environmental factors that could effect testosterone levels. Just to name a few rational ones; Stress and Obesity. It's pretty obvious that the US has an obesity epidemic and many people in modern civilization are more stressed out now than ever. We're in the middle of a economic crisis, people are losing homes, students can't afford to go to school, many people are working 2 or more jobs if they've even been lucky enough to get one.

Cortisol contradicts testosterone when under prolonged stress and also adds to many other health problems such as obesity, depression, anxiety, lower pre-frontal cortext activity/reasoning, arthritis, PTSD. Not to mention the physiological response of someone under stress is the same whether they are making a public speech or defending themselves against a bear. It's the same amount of Cortisol released. So let us chastise and isolate the mentally ill! That will lower their stress levels and promote well being!

I'm sure you're a perfectly nice person, but the idea of men not being outwardly aggressive, not WANTING to kill people, or being vengeful is not acting like a woman and that is an outdated sexist notion.

... also studies do not "prove" anything. They may provide a PIECE of evidence for a theory or global understandings which we have not yet figured out. Correlation =/ causation.

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2010/09/27/stress-hormone/

The vikings and barbarians are some of the most manly men that ever lived. You don't think they had a tremendous amount of stress to deal with on a daily basis? Back then, they had hunt their own food, and if they failed to bring home dinner, they and their families starved. There wasn't any grocery stores back then, and you couldn't call Dominoes Pizza if you wanted a day off from hunting. And if you got injured while hunting, then chances are you might bleed to death or die from an infection. There was no calling of 911. That was real stress. Today, when people talk about stress, they're referring to not having the money to go out and eat 3 times a week. Pathetic!

Testosterone in men isn't lower today because of high cortisol, it's lower because men are sitting on their asses all day long and eating too much. Like I said before, life is too easy nowadays. If they had to risk their lives while hunting down some wild animal every time they wanted a bite to eat, they wouldn't be so damn fat and feminine.

[flex wood]

Of course I don't know AppleQueso personally, so he could be a woman and thus would probably want to continue thinking and behaving like one.

Since when does not being vengeful and opting to rationalize equate to being a woman?

Yea I don't understand what he means. I've dated a ton of vengeful and irrational women.

[Menegrothx]

If you want to know where mankind is heading, then all you need to do is look at where we've been. There is no doubt that men used to be much stronger and that we're continuing to weaken. Now the question is: how much weaker will we get? I believe that, if we don't change course and return to living a more challenging lifestyle (one without civilization), then the weakening won't stop until we're extinct.

Herbivore men of Japan is the way we're heading in first world nations. I'd say it is the next step in human evolution, overcoming our primitive primal instincts that have held us down for so long. As long as we are able to prolong the average life span and figure out a way to artificially procreate children, the rising rates of asexuality and declining birthrates aren't a problem to our species.

Pretty much all urbanised nations with "emasculated" men have a shrinking native population by now, or atleast are heading that way. But unlike in South Korea and Japan, there's alot of immigration from overpopulated and "masculine" third world countries to other rich countries, so none of them have dwindling populations. Whether the new comers will assimiliate to the local culture (and thus become "emasculated") or not still remains to be seen. We are far more likely to become extinct in the near future if more people don't become "emasculated" than we are if men continue their "degeneration" (consumerism+overpopulation and nuclear war).

[elmagicochrisg]

It's pretty obvious that the US has an obesity epidemic...

Do you know what the number one health risk in America is?
Obesity. They say we're in the middle of an obesity epidemic.
An epidemic like it is polio. Like we'll be telling our grand kids about it one day.
The Great Obesity Epidemic of 2004.
"How'd you get through it grandpa?"
"Oh, it was horrible Johnny, there was cheesecake and pork chops everywhere."

Nobody knows why were getting fatter? Look at our lifestyle.
I'll sit at a drive thru.
I'll sit there behind fifteen other cars instead of getting up to make the eight foot walk to the totally empty counter.
Everything is mega meal, super sized. Want biggie fries, super sized, want to go large.
You want to have thirty burgers for a nickel you fat mother fucker. There's room in the back. Take it!
Want a 55 gallon drum of Coke with that? It's only three more cents.

[Key-Glyph]

The evidence is all around you. Today, men are more open about their feelings, and they care now more than ever of the way they look. ...Even today's movie stars are less manly.

I just want to point out that, if you're noticing "less manly men" (meaning "aggressive and violent") around, whether in the media or otherwise, it might be because women have more social rights and are also more valued as a target audience group than before.

On the first point, even half a century ago most women needed men to support them financially, and marriage was the best way to attempt a secure future. I'm not saying people didn't marry for love, but there was heavy incentive to marry, period. And what if you discovered you'd married a violent man? Well, if a divorce were even an option in your case, you probably wouldn't be able to make it on your own. So lots of women were trapped into staying, and violent husbands didn't have a lot of incentive to change. Nowadays heterosexual women can afford to be choosier, and so values like compassion, tenderness, emotional availability, and so on -- things traditionally thought to be "naturally the woman's domain" -- are more desirable qualities to possess as a man, if you're looking to attract a lady mate. And if you're a husband who struggles with anger issues, your wife has a lot more options for leaving or protecting herself, which means you now have something to lose if you don't address those issues. It's not that men are being feminized. It's that the desired "ideal male" archetype is being redefined.

On the second point, lots of women don't find "manliness" a particularly desirable trait, or might be neutral about it. You're now seeing actors and fictional characters that appeal to that sensibility. If you're going to argue that point -- especially the "caring about how you look makes you feminine" angle -- you might as well be arguing that women are becoming manlier because they're wearing pants all the time these days, or that all men are slobs by nature.

Edit:

If not wanting to kill people makes me a woman, then I'm the bustiest of the land.

That certainly deserves to be immortalized in someone's signature.

[elmagicochrisg]

Man are not as manly as they used to be.

Women are not as feminine as they used to be.

Nowadays heterosexual women can afford to be choosier, and so values like compassion, tenderness, emotional availability, and so on -- things traditionally thought to be "naturally the woman's domain" -- are more desirable qualities to possess as a man, if you're looking to attract a lady mate.

More desirable qualities for who?...

Exactly. Those women who are not as feminine as they used to be.

[J T]

If manliness means being violent, dickheaded, misogynistic, and just an allaround asshole, then I don't really care about being manly. I don't think that's what manliness is though. I think a real man is strong, intelligent, and has power that is not abused or used without compassion. I'm tired of men that plop their fat asses into a sofa, talk a bunch of shit, eat handfuls of chilimac and hotdogs while they fart and watch football and loudly tell everyone what real men are. These aren't real men. They are 7th-grade comic sketches of what real men are. They are unsophisticated and dumb and take pride in aggression and anti-intellectualism. Don't let them tell you how to be a man. They have no authority on masculinity. Real men don't depend on stupid assholes to define their gender for them.