The single player mechanic is a gimmick

[Damm64]

The only problem with multiplayer games is that you need at least 1 more person to play the game
-Dude this game is awesome wanna try it?
-Nah.
-Okay i'll just read the manual then.
I don't want to need another person to fully enjoy the game, sure the multiplayer is a welcome adition but i don't want it to be the ONLY option. Even multiplayer games like CS and Left 4 dead have a AI that you can play with when you don't have someone to play and gives you a chance to practice a little bit.

Fuck this gen's obsession with multi-player gaming. I really and truly am sick and tired of it.

I just hate when they made the game multiplayer but only ONLINE and don't add split screen

[Menegrothx]

Even multiplayer games like CS and Left 4 dead have a AI that you can play with when you don't have someone to play and gives you a chance to practice a little bit.

The CS bots dont really prepare you in anyway for the actual game though. Either they're running against wall for 30 seconds-retarded or still very disorientated and clumsy but have incredibly unfair aimbot and constantly score incredibly lucky BS kills while having absolutely terrible movement, positioning and so on (a real player could never dominate other players while playing so poorly).

[SpaceKappa]

I'm really not a fan of today's huge focus on online multiplayer. It's impersonal and overly hostile, and as I have mild social anxiety I don't take to it very well. I'd much rather settle in and play something by myself that tells a good story or is fun to play instead of playing online with thousands of people who are better than me at something.

Same-couch co-op though is a different matter. My wife and I spend a lot of time playing games together and it's awesome, the kind of feeling that can't be replicated through online play. It's part of why we're excited about Wii U, the focus on same-couch asymmetrical gameplay.

[Damm64]

Even multiplayer games like CS and Left 4 dead have a AI that you can play with when you don't have someone to play and gives you a chance to practice a little bit.

The CS bots dont really prepare you in anyway for the actual game though. Either they're running against wall for 30 seconds-retarded or still very disorientated and clumsy but have incredibly unfair aimbot and constantly score incredibly lucky BS kills while having absolutely terrible movement, positioning and so on (a real player could never dominate other players while playing so poorly).

It's a long time since i played against the bots that i forgot when they grab a AK-47 they start making headshots every 2 seconds... so yeah bots are kind of cheap but at least you have the option but i still play once in a while against the bots.

[BoringSupreez]

Even multiplayer games like CS and Left 4 dead have a AI that you can play with when you don't have someone to play and gives you a chance to practice a little bit.

The CS bots dont really prepare you in anyway for the actual game though. Either they're running against wall for 30 seconds-retarded or still very disorientated and clumsy but have incredibly unfair aimbot and constantly score incredibly lucky BS kills while having absolutely terrible movement, positioning and so on (a real player could never dominate other players while playing so poorly).

It's a long time since i played against the bots that i forgot when they grab a AK-47 they start making headshots every 2 seconds... so yeah bots are kind of cheap but at least you have the option but i still play once in a while against the bots.

Even when bots suck it's better than not having the option at all.

[Gamerforlife]

The only problem with multiplayer games is that you need at least 1 more person to play the game
-Dude this game is awesome wanna try it?
-Nah.
-Okay i'll just read the manual then.
I don't want to need another person to fully enjoy the game, sure the multiplayer is a welcome adition but i don't want it to be the ONLY option. Even multiplayer games like CS and Left 4 dead have a AI that you can play with when you don't have someone to play and gives you a chance to practice a little bit.

Fuck this gen's obsession with multi-player gaming. I really and truly am sick and tired of it.

I just hate when they made the game multiplayer but only ONLINE and don't add split screen

I agree with all your points. I really like when multiplayer is added on to a game like a sort of bonus feature. It's just that multiplayer has become the FOCUS of so many games now that annoys me. It used to be a fun extra feature in games. Now it's practically shoved down our throats. One thing I loved about the Darkness II is how they handled multiplayer. In the original game, the multiplayer was a tacked on versus mode that added nothing to the story and most players didn't care about it. In fact, it annoyed a lot of players that half of the game's achievements were tied to a multiplayer mode that no one bought the game for. People bought that game for its awesome story and campaign.

Now, The Darkness II added a multiplayer feature that felt like a full fledged SECOND campaign mode called Vendetta mode. It allowed up to four players to co op, but the entire campaign as well as most of the accompanying hit list missions could be played solo. And, because it was an additional story mode, it was still enjoyable to play solo and the gameplay was primarily the same enjoyable stuff you did in the single player, main story mode. Just that now you had the option of doing it with other players if you so desired. Also, every achievement tied to Vendetta mode could be done solo. None of that stupid, "play through six levels with a friend" bullshit achievements that they put in so many other games. Whenever I see achievements like that I think, "How much did Microsoft pay you to put that in there so they can sell more Xbox Live Gold accounts?"

[Menegrothx]

I dont see why so many single player games are trying to have a multiplayer mode these days. Dead Space 2, Bioshock 2, Uncharted 2 and so on. Guess what? Those multiplayer modes are inferioir to real multiplayer games. If I want to play multiplayer game, I'll play a well designed one like CS or Quake. I dont buy a game like Uncharted for multiplayer, I buy it for the story mode.
A real competitive multiplayer game doesn't need to have any single player campaign at all. Games like Quake, Counter Strike, Starcraft and Warcraft 3 are still popular and played as eSports even though they're all 10+ years old. The servers for these second grade console multiplayer games will be shut as soon as they become unprofitable.

If you're so damn concerned about the length/gameplay value of your game, stop adding achievements and multiplayer game modes and MAKE SOME REAL CONTENT. Real gamers wont bitch and moan because a game is "only X hours long" if the game is well made and has a good story.
Sure it's alot more expensive to produce real content than it is to glue on achievements and team deathmatch mode on a finished product, but if the huge development teams of today would focus their massive budgets on things like level design, writing and game design rather than cutscenes and graphics then there wouldn't be a problem with the length/lack of content. A game where you run from cutscene to cutscene on a linear corridor rarely has any replay value.
Much smaller development teams made way better games with way smaller budgets 10-15 years ago. Although you could say that the fact that development teams are so massive and disconnected these days is one of the major reasons why they cant produce games with any real content besides cool cutscenes and dem graphics.

[Gamerforlife]

I wish more people thought like this:

[Damm64]

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A real competitive multiplayer game doesn't need to have any single player campaign at all. Games like Quake, Counter Strike, Starcraft and Warcraft 3 are still popular and played as eSports even though they're all 10+ years old. The servers for these second grade console multiplayer games will be shut as soon as they become unprofitable.

These games also have a single player mode (except for CS), and both (single and multiplayer) are really good.

I agree with all your points. I really like when multiplayer is added on to a game like a sort of bonus feature. It's just that multiplayer has become the FOCUS of so many games now that annoys me. It used to be a fun extra feature in games. Now it's practically shoved down our throats. One thing I loved about the Darkness II is how they handled multiplayer. In the original game, the multiplayer was a tacked on versus mode that added nothing to the story and most players didn't care about it. In fact, it annoyed a lot of players that half of the game's achievements were tied to a multiplayer mode that no one bought the game for. People bought that game for its awesome story and campaign.

I wish more people thought like this:

This just make's me want to play the game even more, i still need to get both games though...

[SoloTek]

This is too funny. I just joined tonight and introduced myself on the introduction thread and I mention that I enjoy single player over playing games with others. Looks like I am nothing more than a schmuck for a gimmick.