Playstaion the next NES

Post by **Chizzles** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:39 am

SpaceBooger wrote:I don't think that the graphics per say make or break a system's ability to age well. It the charm and nature of the games. If you look at all of those retro plug-in TV games being re-released they are simple but engaging enough for anyone to pick up and play.
Final Fantasy VII will never see one of those Joystick Plug-In-TV remakes, nor will Metal Gear Solid. The NES had charm and a low learning curve that is why it is still popular and today.

I don't see how the learning curve for Metal Gear or Final Fantasy on NES is any lower than that of their Playstation bretheren, if anything, it's higher.
Furthermore... there aren't too many officially liscenced Plug And Play NES systems out there, most of them are Master System, Megadrive and Atari based.

A console will only hold as much charm as the person looking at it sees in it.

Post by **Majors** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:25 pm

PS1 3D was pretty bad...I do not want to revist those days.

What about the TV's that folks will be retro-ing on in the future? Old consoles w/o HD out look like ass. Unless upscanning gets better (and it's not because TV manufacturers have no reason to) old games look worse on modern displays. VC and EMU may be the future for historic gaming.

Just keep that old CRT arround just in case...

Post by **Chizzles** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:15 pm

I don't think the PS1 looks too bad through RGB for most games.

Upscaling will not really get any better than it is now - you can't add information to a picture that's not there, just fake it. And upscalers are already pretty much doing all they can.

The real problem is dynamic resolution VS fixed resolution. There has got to be a way to "mimick" the look of a CRT on a really high res fixed panel display. One day they might be high enough resolution to actually simulate every individual pixel of a CRT without it being too noticable.

Post by **The Apprentice** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:21 pm

RyaNtheSlayA wrote:i grew up w/ a playstation so i can safely say that the only thing i find annoying about old 3d games is HOW DRAB AND DEPRESSING THE COLOR PALETTES WERE. OMG ITS WORSE THAN THIS GENERATION!!!

DON'T TYPE IN ALL-CAPS ZOMG ITS F***ING ANNOYING!!!

Post by **Kevman** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:40 pm

The Apprentice wrote:
RyaNtheSlayA wrote:i grew up w/ a playstation so i can safely say that the only thing i find annoying about old 3d games is HOW DRAB AND DEPRESSING THE COLOR PALETTES WERE. OMG ITS WORSE THAN THIS GENERATION!!!

DON'T TYPE IN ALL-CAPS ZOMG ITS F***ING ANNOYING!!!

But caps lock is cruise control for awesome!

Post by **RyaNtheSlayA** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:40 pm

Kevman wrote:
The Apprentice wrote:
RyaNtheSlayA wrote:i grew up w/ a playstation so i can safely say that the only thing i find annoying about old 3d games is HOW DRAB AND DEPRESSING THE COLOR PALETTES WERE. OMG ITS WORSE THAN THIS GENERATION!!!

DON'T TYPE IN ALL-CAPS ZOMG ITS F***ING ANNOYING!!!
But caps lock is cruise control for awesome!

It is!!!

Post by **RackGaki** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:53 pm

Ack wrote:But because of the poor aging of 3D graphics in comparison to 2D...I think it's gonna be tough.

This will keep the Playstation scene down more than anything else. It shows, too, especially with the games that are still valuable today - many of them are either rare RPGs, or valuable 2D-based games.

Chizzles wrote:The Sega Saturn collector scene is pretty much outgrowing the PS1 collector scene I'd say...

Two dimensional fighting games and shoot 'em ups remain highly coveted because their visuals and gameplay remain relevant more than the clumsy explorations of console 3D games. Rarity helps collectors, but gameplay determines which title remain relevant (i.e. Radiant Silvergun).

Post by **Chizzles** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:42 pm

There are plenty of 3D games on both console that still hold a lot of recognition and playability despite their flawed graphics. Panzer Dragoon Saga, Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill are all titles that still hold up today depsite their technically flawed graphics due to the level of artistic stylisation

Also, keep in mind that there are plenty of 2D games on PS1 as well.

I still stick by that 3D games don't age any more quickly - Amstrad CPC and Spectrum games look ridiculous and many of them play badly by today's standards yet people still love them. Head Over Heels looks like some kind of bad joke.

Post by **Ack** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:12 pm

Hey man, it's cool if that's your opinion. I do find some of the 3D titles still hold up well in gameplay, like Bushido Blade 2. I just feel that it's gonna be something a lot of folks aren't going to get over. Either way, we'll keep playing our PS1s, Saturns, and 64s.

Post by **RackGaki** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:20 pm

Chizzles wrote:There are plenty of 3D games on both console that still hold a lot of recognition and playability despite their flawed graphics. Panzer Dragoon Saga, Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill are all titles that still hold up today depsite their technically flawed graphics due to the level of artistic stylisation

Also, keep in mind that there are plenty of 2D games on PS1 as well.

If there's anything to get from my previous post, it's that gameplay trumps graphics. Metal Gear and Silent Hill are valuable because of nostalgia and originality; both have been succeeded by improved sequels. The control schemes are archaic and typical of the times; you couldn't possibly introduce a new Silent Hill or Metal Gear game with the exact controls and game mechanics and expect it to be well received.

I would lump those games in with other valuable PS1 RPGs - they remain coveted because of great storytelling and fond memories, and despite everything else.

And, of course, 2D games like Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and Einhänder remain examples of the exceptional nature of 2D gameplay.