Ack wrote:
Admittedly, if Golden Dawn continues getting support, do you think that might change? I realize they're a fringe group and don't represent the Greek mainstream, but they've still been gaining traction in Athens.
I was talking about Europe in general, obviously an economic collapse will cause a huge climb in crime.
Here's the thing, even though robberies have increased a lot, fatalities cause of them haven't. I mean people get killed, specially when it's violence between the immigrants (think of it as inner ghetto gang violence), but nowhere near as many as they would die if guns were freely available.
And the solution to reduce crime of course is not to give us guns, it is to obtain economic recovery and FINALLY control immigration (Greece gets 150.000 illegal immigrants per year. If the US got the same ratio of illegal immigrants to your population, you'd be getting 4.500.000 illegal immigrants per year. I'm all for allowing some immigrants in, specially refuges, and helping them settle in and integrate, but you understand such huge numbers (compared to the country's population) cause huge problems, specially when 99% of them are completely uneducated.....btw thanks for having those 2 wars that caused this wave of immigration. Though it's our fault for signing the agreements that got us stuck with them, but as you've seen from their economic record, our political class was never too bright........or just useful in any way).
It would just make things worse. And right now I can still go and tell a golden dawn member to stop, can't say I'd be that brave if I thought he might be packing.
Now are you asking what should happen if they gain power like in Nazi Germany? Then I'd be asking my good friend Ack to send me some nice fire power from the States so I can join the resistance
I thought it was the communists who were rioting in Greece. But then again, judging by the scale of the riots (from what I've seen on the news and read on newspapers), looks like for the past few year just about every one in the country has been rioting (or atleast protesting and going on strikes). Is the Golden Dawn anti-EU btw? The seemingly endless bailouts to Southern Europe is one of the most important reasons why our local nationalist/anti-EU party has been gaining tremendous amounts of popularity during the last few years. Tax payers are starting to get fed up with the system. By the looks of it, EU will either fall or it will become a federation.
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my eyes to this, and I am not rolling them for you, but for the way the riots have been portrayed in international media. The area where those riots take place is literally, LITERALLY 1 square. That's it. One square. People come here and think every neighborhood has been on fire. The London riots were 1000 times worse. Plus it's not always riots, there's also some common fights between anarchists and the police that never end up in much, cause when they arrest them it takes 5 years to put them through trials, so till then they are let loose and again go to protests (and ruin them imo, the violence makes the message get lost) and start fighting with the police again. But still, it's not what I'd call "a riot", a small group fighting with cops. The problem is that the police has used their provocation as excuses to break up rallies (think occupy wall street and how they acted there).
Now protesting and going on strikes, yeah just about everyone has gone to one (not me yet though
. We voted for them, and I knew we'd pay the price sooner or later. I'm just still wishing someone proper would rise so I could vote for him).
Golden Dawn is anti Democracy, they are a bunch of uneducated thugs, a bi-product of a society that wasn't paying attention to its darkest corners while things were going well, and now that everything has gone to hell it is springing up like the snake nest releasing its snakes. But unfortunately I've seen the far right has been gaining support throughout all of Europe, it's just that we are the only ones that are doing bad enough for them to be able to find popular support. If the economy gets worse, I can see them making gains in Hungary, Romania. I was at least pleasantly surprised they lost many of their gains in the Netherlands.
You are right. This bailout story is destroying the EU. The south is in pain and just suffers through economic stagnation, and the north sees their tax money being put to waste. It's stupid. We should just have defaulted on our debt back when it was
ALL TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. Yeah it would suck at first, but
1) It would cleanse the political sphere from useless politicians and new capable ones would rise (unlike now, where the corrupt political system is kept on life support with the aid of EU tax money).
2) Sharp fall at first, and then the economy would recover (unlike now where the uncertainty keeps anyone from investing, cause as they said who would invest in countries who might be using a weaker currency a year from now, and they can buy everything for cheap?)
3) (and this is my main gripe) Those people who lent so much money to try and make a better profit off the higher yield of southern European nations, would have to explain to their clients how they lost it all. INSTEAD, we (the EU) saved THEM (by transferring so much of Greece's, Portugals and Ireland's debt from private creditors to public ones), and now the EU members are bickering among themselves about it, while they are laughing all the way to the bank. The sweet thing about Capitalism is that you play and either win or lose. Trying to change that fundamental rule screws up the global economy.
Now I don't want us to default, cause it would create so much poisonous feelings inside the European project. But our politicians were morons (but we payed the price for it), and German and French leaders cared more about getting reelected, so they wanted to avoid a direct recapitalization of their banks, but instead chose to share it Europe wide.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-2 ... t-too.html
So basically, we are screwed cause we don't have any capable leaders in all of Europe. Nice going cold war generation, you are a colossal failure compared to the WW2 generation.
/rant over (not sure how much of it makes sense, I have to go and can't proof read it
. ask me to clarify the weird parts)
