Gun Control

[Razzmatazz]

As a Brit, it is easy to laugh at "if people in the cinema had guns, he wouldn't have killed as many as he had done". You're fighting fire with fire.

Of course you can ban guns, and for the most part it works. You CAN still get a gun, mostly in the poor gang-ridden areas of big cities. However the crack down on guns has led to a rise in knife crime, which although it is pretty scary, nobody is going to be killing multiple people with a knife. Unless you are Rambo.

Guns are killing machines. Whether the user kills people or animals, it's immoral and inhumane. "Oh but I use it for target shooting" buy a fucking crossbow then. Or rubber bullets, or go paintballing, or go clay-pigeon shooting. Or take up archery.

Chris Rock made a valid point that it's not so much the guns, but the ammunition that needs to be hard to get, $5000 per bullet.

[Menegrothx]

People are trivializing the issue by saying that if other people had guns in the movie theathre, there wouldn't have been no massacre.
Step one: some lunatic fires in a dark and crowded place
Step two: some law abiding citizen fires at the direction of the lunatic
Step three: some one thinks that the law abiding citizen is the lunatic and fires at his direction
Step four: some one who just arrived at the place only vaguely heard the first shots and assumes that the law abiding guy who shot at the other law abiding citizen is the lunatic who shoot the first shots and shoots him
And so on and so on. People are overestimating the capabilities of your average citizen. Police officers are trained for years to deal with this kind of situations and even they fuck up at times. Need I remind to you that also many people simply panic in situations like that? It's easy to talk how you would just shoot all the terrorist bad guys if you had a gun on a situation like that on the internet, but in a real life situation the fact is that many people are rendered completely useless because they panic and can hardly control their own actions.

It's easy to shoot the bad guy who's holding the gun at some unarmed woman down at an empty street in the middle of night, but in a crowded area it's disorientating and a completely different thing. And there's also the fact that many people dont have it in them to kill another human being. I dont recall the exact number, but even in World War 1 and World War 2 a massive amount of soldiers never fired their weapon (atleast while pointing it at another human being) simply because they didnt have it them. They were just ordered to go to war and they couldn't handle it. Carrying guns can save a lot of muggings, assaults and rapes from happening but it is naive to expect that if you hand every suburban mom and whiney teenager a handgun then all the massacres will go away. Sure it's harder for lunatics to kill people amongst carrying citizens than in a gun free zone, but a psycho who has things planned out will prevail over normal people who simply arent prepared to deal with the situation.

[D.D.D.]

This bugs me. Why the hell do we/the news need to refer to this sack of crap murderer as the "suspect" or "allegedly shot" etc phrases when he obviously and intentionally went to kill as many people as he could. He is guilty and why oh why do we need to "protect" him until he's "proven" guilty when there was an entire movie theater full of witnesses and probably security camera footage as well. If this was a one on one murder when you need to gather evidence and try to find witnesses in a case where there is doubt, yeah, guilty until proven innocent is a good thing.
This facade and parade of crap is just a waste of time in cases like this.

[AppleQueso]

^it's about journalistic integrity and professionalism at all times. Nothing to do with 'protecting' this guy at all.

[Johnodog]

I see the radical leftwing liberal types have decided to politicize some lone nutbag, thereby using the victims as a tool in their own agenda. There is as much proof to say that it was Batman movies, as guns, that caused the shooting, since the attack paralleled a batman storyline. Colorado has some of the most stringent gun laws around. How did that work out? If ONE person had a license to carry...how many lives could have been saved? I see the press already falsely blamed the tea party. Now the hardcore left is trying to use it as an excuse to take away other people's constitutional rights. Shamefully dishonest behavior on the part of the left. BTW I do not own a gun. But I am invested in protecting the constitution, and thereby the rights of ALL Americans. Lastly, did the guns set up a booby trapped apartment? Or was it the monster who made the choice to kill?
Do spoons make you fat? Or do your poor choices make you fat. If you banned all spoons and told lies against the law abiding spoon owners .........could you prevent obesity?

[Johnodog]

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/2 ... be-robbers

The internet is full of such accounts of honest citizens preventing crimes and deaths by exercising their constitutional rights.

[Erik_Twice]

He is guilty and why oh why do we need to "protect" him until he's "proven" guilty when there was an entire movie theater full of witnesses and probably security camera footage as well.

Because everyone has the right of being judged by a fair trial.

[Johnodog]

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Shows a breakdown of how few are actually killed by guns.I see strangulation is is the more common occurrence...perhaps we should ban hands...or at least register them. And to people from other countries that lament our gun laws. Please try not to be so condescending. We had protests in this country , too. It was called occupation Wallstreet and mostly violence free. I would also like to point out that when you say the UK and Greece don't have guns you are only referring to the law abiding citizens of those countries. The criminals have plenty of guns and weapons.

[Erik_Twice]

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Shows a breakdown of how few are actually killed by guns.

No, it shows a breakdown of how many people accidentally die by several causes. It doesn't include homicides. The point being made is that the rate of homicides in the US using firearms is around fourteen times the rate in the UK.

EDIT: It's also between ages 1-15

[Johnodog]

No proof or source for the claim of the murder rates? Is it based on totals or percentages? And that chart I provided gives more detail than you are admitting. You just have to do a little extrapolation using math.
We have a huge border issue and many murders occur on our border due to Mexican drug gangs. There is no distinction made between a violent murder using Mexican guns as perpetrated by Foreign Nationals and murders that occur involving only Americans.
This is never discussed by those that want to maintain the stereotype of the John Wayne American.